WI: Surviving Muslim Powers In Spain

What would be the long term consequences of an unsuccessful reconquista on Spain and Europe in general?
 
How far does "unsuccessful" go?

"The Christian are crushed/vassals of the Caliph" has more influence than merely maintaining a significant southern (southeastern?) Iberian Muslim state.
 
How far does "unsuccessful" go?

"The Christian are crushed/vassals of the Caliph" has more influence than merely maintaining a significant southern (southeastern?) Iberian Muslim state.

Crushed sounds like the most likely to ensure the region could survive, if they where still around then they will always look to the Muslim lands to expand and that means whenever they are in a time of weakness they are being slowly picked apart.
 
If the reconquesta failed several things would have changed.
#1 the discovery of america would have ben delayed for decades if not centuries.
#2 The holy Roman Empire would have been all German and the 1632 books would need to be rewritten.
#3 we might have had another Crusade,one called against the Moors.
 
#1: Not necessarily.

#2: How does this effect the lands of the HRE? Spain was never part of that OTL anyway.

#3: We did see crusades called against the Moors OTL, so . . . um?
 
If the reconquesta failed several things would have changed.
#1 the discovery of america would have ben delayed for decades if not centuries.
#2 The holy Roman Empire would have been all German and the 1632 books would need to be rewritten.
#3 we might have had another Crusade,one called against the Moors.

1. Unless it somehow drastically set back shipping tech somehow you are going to end up getting there around when they did OTL by accident, the Basque and Scottish where already fishing in that area and it was only a matter of time before they realized the magnitude of the land.
2. SPain was never a part of the HRE and I dont think Burgundy will no longer exist because of this.
3. The second Crusade was basically against the Moors.
 
Would a Muslim Iberia have any motivation for sea exploration and subsequent colonization of the New World like OTL Spain and Portugal? I know that at various times Al-Andalus was not on great terms with the rest of the Muslim world, but was it ever so bad that they would need to seek alternative trade routes?
 
Would a Muslim Iberia have any motivation for sea exploration and subsequent colonization of the New World like OTL Spain and Portugal? I know that at various times Al-Andalus was not on great terms with the rest of the Muslim world, but was it ever so bad that they would need to seek alternative trade routes?

Bad terms with the rest of the Muslim world isn't the only reason to hope for a way to trade with the (Far) East that doesn't require them as middlemen, though.
 
Would a Muslim Iberia have any motivation for sea exploration and subsequent colonization of the New World like OTL Spain and Portugal? I know that at various times Al-Andalus was not on great terms with the rest of the Muslim world, but was it ever so bad that they would need to seek alternative trade routes?

The Fatimids have more influence, resulting in a Shia Muslim state stretching from Podolia to Yemen?
 
If some Moorish state can hold onto the central Iberian Plateau and contain the Christian Kingdoms to border and buffer states in the North and North-East then yes.
 
from the late fifteen hundreds both Spain and the Holy Roman Empire were ruled by the Habsburgs. The Dukes of Bavaria were Habsburgs. They declined and were replaced in Spain. The remained in central Europe and finely died out at the end of world war 1 with the end of the Austo-Hungarian Empire. During the 30 years war they were the champians for the Catholic Church.
As a lot they were very inbred. They had a genetic marker called the Habsbury lip which is very easily seen on their pictures.
During the reformation Spain had it's fingers in many pies around Europe, form Italy to Germany and very much so in the Netherlands.
 
from the late fifteen hundreds both Spain and the Holy Roman Empire were ruled by the Habsburgs. The Dukes of Austria were Habsburgs. They declined and were replaced in Spain. The remained in central Europe and finely died out at the end of world war 1 with the end of the Austo-Hungarian Empire. During the 30 years war they were the champians for the Catholic Church.
As a lot they were very inbred. They had a genetic marker called the Habsbury lip which is very easily seen on their pictures.
During the reformation Spain had it's fingers in many pies around Europe, form Italy to Germany and very much so in the Netherlands.

Fixed.

What does this have to do with anything? The Habsburgs are a German (from what's now Switzerland for anyone who cares) dynasty, the Spanish connection was late in their history.
 
from the late fifteen hundreds both Spain and the Holy Roman Empire were ruled by the Habsburgs. The Dukes of Bavaria were Habsburgs. They declined and were replaced in Spain. The remained in central Europe and finely died out at the end of world war 1 with the end of the Austo-Hungarian Empire. During the 30 years war they were the champians for the Catholic Church.
As a lot they were very inbred. They had a genetic marker called the Habsbury lip which is very easily seen on their pictures.
During the reformation Spain had it's fingers in many pies around Europe, form Italy to Germany and very much so in the Netherlands.

Yeah but that still has nothing to do with the large french speaking parts of the Empire in Provence and Burgundy and the fact is the Habsburgs themselves had little to do with Spain until they had a few lucky dynastic marriages.
 
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