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In otl the big reason for Shu being unable to defeat Wei was because Shu lacked the logistics and manpower. However what if after the red cliffs. Rather than turn on Liu Bei, Sun Quan decides to not move on Jingzhou. Lets say instead he aides Shu against Wei. At this time Cao Cao was still recovering from red cliffs. So what if Sun Quan moved North to engage Cao Cao's forces at the same time as Zhuge liang launches his Northern Campaigns. Could Imperial Uncle Liu Bei and Lord Sun Quan's drives be able to overwhelm Imperial Chancellor Cao Cao. If so what would happen next and between Wu and Shu which side would triumph after Cao Cao is killed.

Plus with no XIaoting Gaun Yu and Zhang fei do not die nor does Shu suffer a crippling loss of men and supplies.
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