What would have been the fate of a new independent Irish Republic, if the 1916 Easter Rising had succeeded? How might this have impacted the First World War? Would Ireland join the Central Powers?
ASB. As an admirer of the IRA it makes me sad to say this. However, the rising was utterly infeasible, even had the German arms made it through.
You would been no stand down and a massive and succesful German offensive that results in Paris being captured at a mininum to take the pressure off. May be have it made clear to the Brisish that a independent Ireland would not support Germany in any form or fashion would help as well however that almost certainly would not be enough.It's not just the arms, what you'd need is the volunteers not getting the stand down order. If that was avoided then it's likely that you have a more widespread Rising outside of the OTL areas which may slow the response.
End of the day the Rising still gets smashed to bits but the knock ons could be greater.
The conduct of the war had little ifanythng to do with the rebellion rather it was logn term discontent with Brish ruleI'm still conflicted about what exactly a 'successful Easter Uprising' would mean. The way I see it to was more of a revolt than a revolution. More about them being fed up with the way England conducted wartime rule on their soil then about the time being right and the people behind them and such. Insofar the uprising WAS successful in showing the world that the Irish Problem did not go away just because there was a war going on in France. And in one way, it DID succeed in starting the Irish civil war in 1919.
Eoin MacNeill issued the countermanding order because the German arms were captured.It's not just the arms, what you'd need is the volunteers not getting the stand down order. If that was avoided then it's likely that you have a more widespread Rising outside of the OTL areas which may slow the response.
End of the day the Rising still gets smashed to bits but the knock ons could be greater.
There was no chance of that happening, the rising was plotted with the Germans by Casement and Plunkett, no German arms means no chance whatsoever of a successful rising, the proclamation referred to them as Ireland's "gallant allies in Europe", and Pearse and Plunkett considered crowning Prince Joachim of Prussia in order to secure Irish independence through an alliance with Germany and help revive the Irish language. As Michael Collins would later say in an interview with American journalist Hayden Talbot the rising and subsequent revival of Irish nationalism was inseparable from the thought and hope of a German victory.May be have it made clear to the Brisish that a independent Ireland would not support Germany in any form or fashion would help as well however that almost certainly would not be enough.
It's not impossible that Irish opinions could shift in response to British actions during a more successful rising, the fact that it only took a few executions to dramatically shift public opinion suggests public support for the British wasn't really all that strong though the effect of the 1918 conscription crisis shouldn't be discounted either.The basic issue was that the IRA had no popular support in 1916. The British reaction (shooting Padrig Pierce et al) was what caused the far stronger popular support in 1921. In 1916, the IRA was a fringe element within Irish society. For this reason there was no chance the rising would succeed. It would be somewhat like the Black Panthers overthrowing the government in Mississippi in 1968. Not plausible.
it was successful insofar as it could have been. Military victory was impossible, British stupidity in over reacting gave the IRA the Political victory, however.What would have been the fate of a new independent Irish Republic, if the 1916 Easter Rising had succeeded? How might this have impacted the First World War? Would Ireland join the Central Powers?
That would be the Irish War of Independence, the Irish Civil War followed the ending of the War of Independence.And in one way, it DID succeed in starting the Irish civil war in 1919.
True however he was already against it and had planned to try and stop it, while the arms were what convinced him to support it, it's fair to say he was never a backer of the idea.Eoin MacNeill issued the countermanding order because the German arms were captured.
Not the IRA at this stage.it was successful insofar as it could have been. Military victory was impossible, British stupidity in over reacting gave the IRA the Political victory, however.
ASB. As an admirer of the IRA it makes me sad to say this. However, the rising was utterly infeasible, even had the German arms made it through.
Given there seems to be a bit of a cross over of who people are calling the IRA and then of course all the different IRA's that have come and gone, I'd have to ask is he talking about the Irish Volunteers that took part in the Rising, the IRA of the War of Independence or the multitude of the more modern variants spawned by the Troubles?You admire an organisation that indiscriminately maimed and murdered innocent people? That disgusts me.
Given there seems to be a bit of a cross over of who people are calling the IRA and then of course all the different IRA's that have come and gone, I'd have to ask is he talking about the Irish Volunteers that took part in the Rising, the IRA of the War of Independence or the multitude of the more modern variants spawned by the Troubles?
What would have been the fate of a new independent Irish Republic, if the 1916 Easter Rising had succeeded? How might this have impacted the First World War? Would Ireland join the Central Powers?
An Irish insurgency could bog down British forces, who might be spread too thin as Germany was the greater threat to London.
End of the day the Rising still gets smashed to bits but the knock ons could be greater.
You would been no stand down and a massive and succesful German offensive that results in Paris being captured at a mininum to take the pressure off.
May be have it made clear to the Brisish that a independent Ireland would not support Germany in any form or fashion would help as well however that almost certainly would not be enough.
So the War of Independence level comes a few years early.Smashed to bits is putting it lightly. Devastated and occupied under something akin to German rule of Belgium is more likely. A police state, with pass laws, nighttime raids, checkpoints and a two-tier (probably religion based) society are more likely outcomes.
I'm aware of that, however they did not specify at all who they were referring to, which leads to the assumption that it was the only one most people are even aware of.
I was looking at the consequences a few years laterThat would be the Irish War of Independence, the Irish Civil War followed the ending of the War of Independence.
True however he was already against it and had planned to try and stop it, while the arms were what convinced him to support it, it's fair to say he was never a backer of the idea.
Not the IRA at this stage.
So the War of Independence level comes a few years early.