WI:Stevenson 1952!
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Adlai Stevenson has a problem, as was pointed out in a 1952 campaign stop:
shout from teh crowd: "Adlai! Every thinking man is for you!"
Stevenson: "That's not enough, I need a majority!"
Stevenson's had two major problems, both of them all but insurmountable. He was the Democratic nominee running in a year in which the incumbent President was a highly unpopular Democrat, and he was running against one of the most widely popular men in the country.
To have Stevenson win in 1952, you probably have to have Dewey win in 1948, and then have his Presidency go about as well as Truman's second term, which may be a bit too convergent a situation for realism. Also if the 1952 nomination is valuable, Stevenson may not be nominated.
To have Stevenson win in 1952, you probably have to have Dewey win in 1948, and then have his Presidency go about as well as Truman's second term, which may be a bit too convergent a situation for realism. Also if the 1952 nomination is valuable, Stevenson may not be nominated.
You have a GOP whose candidates are so deeply unpopular they had to recruit from outside of the political sphere. Assume Ike doesn't run, Stevenson has a real shot.
The other timeline about this is quite good, with good analysis before the butterflying gets big and some premium grade Crazy when the butterflies really start going. A+ stuff.
Politically though, I wonder if you get a Goldwater type of deal starting earlier, perhaps pacing Brown and the first wave of the Civil Rights movement. The reasoning behind this is that you get enough solid desperation in a Republican Party that keeps getting beat and soon enough the kooks are going to seem appealing. The GOP had seen success with vicious red-baiting in the late forties and 1950. If the adults in the party haven't won a Presidential since 1928, the hard right is going to seem like the only part of the party that's had any success.
On the other hand, continuing Democratic dominance, combined with a more radical right, might make the New Deal even more of the bed-rock of American life. A more firmly ensconced, but perhaps less innovative, Democratic Party arrives in 1960 and who knows?
The other timeline about this is quite good, with good analysis before the butterflying gets big and some premium grade Crazy when the butterflies really start going. A+ stuff.
Politically though, I wonder if you get a Goldwater type of deal starting earlier, perhaps pacing Brown and the first wave of the Civil Rights movement. The reasoning behind this is that you get enough solid desperation in a Republican Party that keeps getting beat and soon enough the kooks are going to seem appealing. The GOP had seen success with vicious red-baiting in the late forties and 1950. If the adults in the party haven't won a Presidential since 1928, the hard right is going to seem like the only part of the party that's had any success.
On the other hand, continuing Democratic dominance, combined with a more radical right, might make the New Deal even more of the bed-rock of American life. A more firmly ensconced, but perhaps less innovative, Democratic Party arrives in 1960 and who knows?
I understand why,but I'm not a neo-nazi,It's based off of a history where Himmler becomes Fuher.
The best way as was already mentioned is for Dewey to win in 1948. This gets rid of the largest obstacle to Stevenson in OTL, namely Eisenhower. If Dewey's first term goes bad, Stevenson can win 1952.
Otherwise, maybe Taft as the Republican's '52 nominee instead of Eisenhower. Stevenson would have a shot then. It'll at least make a more divisive and closer election.
Otherwise, maybe Taft as the Republican's '52 nominee instead of Eisenhower. Stevenson would have a shot then. It'll at least make a more divisive and closer election.
Ike's cheating doesn't pay off to win the nomination, and Stevenson defeats Taft.
I don't see Stevenson as being terribly different regarding the end of Korea, but avoiding the Dulles Bros. will have massive ramifications on how the CIA operates. No coups to depose democratic leaders outside of Latin America are likely to occur.
I don't see Stevenson as being terribly different regarding the end of Korea, but avoiding the Dulles Bros. will have massive ramifications on how the CIA operates. No coups to depose democratic leaders outside of Latin America are likely to occur.
I agree that Stevenson would probably do better against Taft, but given Truman's massive unpopularity in 1952, I have a hard time seeing Stevenson win.
Paul V McNutt
Banned
How about Dewey wins in 1948. So he is at fault for the Korean quagmire.
I see Stevenson trying something to advance civil rights.
I see Stevenson trying something to advance civil rights.
Not in the likely scenario of Eisenhower endorsing Stevenson. Ike didn't have much of an ideology beyond opposing Taft's isolationism.
Scenario 1:Eisenhower drops Nixon from the ticket, and before another VP choice is picked Ike dies of a sudden heart attack. The confusion and infighting following the emergency nomination of someone (or a stalled nomination leading to a drawn out convention) is reason to swing enough voters over to Stevenson's plans.
Scenario 2: Eisenhower doesn't run, and Taft is nominated, makes some dumb statements like "If President I will refuse to deploy troops unless attacked directly, and we will leave NATO and the UN!" Eisenhower poors in all his spare time advocating for Stevenson to win over the Isolationist Taft.
Scenario 3: Ike pulls a Nelson Rockefeller and divorces his wife, and quickly remarries.
I think option one is best.
Scenario 2: Eisenhower doesn't run, and Taft is nominated, makes some dumb statements like "If President I will refuse to deploy troops unless attacked directly, and we will leave NATO and the UN!" Eisenhower poors in all his spare time advocating for Stevenson to win over the Isolationist Taft.
Scenario 3: Ike pulls a Nelson Rockefeller and divorces his wife, and quickly remarries.
I think option one is best.
No, the best option is that Eisenhower doesn't get the nomination via dirty tricks ("fair play")
Stolengood
Banned
Really? I thought it was Taft who was pulling the dirty tricks...?No, the best option is that Eisenhower doesn't get the nomination via dirty tricks ("fair play")
Taft was going to win the nomination until Dewey and Ike got Taft's Southern delegates kicked out.Really? I thought it was Taft who was pulling the dirty tricks...?