WI: Sterilisation

Before I go into any detail over this what if, I have to make clear my own personal views as it is a controversial subject. I personally feel that this would be almost as bad as the holocaust of otl, in that the Nazis would be deliberately wiping a race off of the face of the map. The fact that it would not occur in such a swift or brutal act does not diminish this.

That said, what if the Nazi state followed a process of sterilisation of all Jews, Gypsies and other such groups, whilst keeping them in ghettoes as opposed to the gas chambers and camps of our timeline? How would this affect histories view of the Nazi regime and anti-semitism both inside Germany and across the world?

The reason I ask the question is that I recently watched the HBO film Conspiracy, based on the Wannsee conference, during which it was given as one of the options.
 
That happened during the Indian Emergency under Sanjay Gandhi's direction. A Fine Balance spells it out quite nicely. They do it to the elderly, teenagers, and everyone in between. Mass sterilization was the centrepiece of Indira's healthcare policy. There was one famous incident where two imams underwent the procedure and Sanjay personally awarded them a "Motivation Certificate" which eventually became part of the necessary everyday papers. One case where I would support counterfeit artists. If that plane hadn't pancaked, it would have been far worse. A Marcos wannabe (not fit to lick his shoes IMO), with half a year of trade school running the country. Scary as hell.
 
There'd probably be a far less negative view of the Nazis. Sterilization programs were done in the US to American Indians, but it isn't widely known about. The Indian Health Service ordered the sterilization, without their consent or often even knowledge, of every Indian woman they could get their hands on if she'd been on public assistance. This went on until the 1970s.

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http://faculty.utep.edu/LinkClick.aspx?link=lawrence.pdf&tabid=19869&mid=71730
Various studies revealed that the Indian Health Service sterilized between 25
and 50 percent of Native American women between 1970 and 1976. Dr. Connie
Pinkerton-Uri conducted a study that revealed that​
IHS physicians sterilized at
least 25 percent of American Indian women between the ages of fifteen and
forty-four. Cheyenne tribal judge Marie Sanchez questioned fifty Cheyenne
women and discovered that
IHS doctors had sterilized twenty-six of them. She
announced her beliefthat the number ofwomen the
GAO reported sterilized was
too low and that the percentage was much higher than 25 percent. Mary Ann
Bear Comes Out, a member of the Northern Cheyenne tribe, conducted a survey
on the Northern Cheyenne Reservation and Labre Mission grounds. She
found that in a three-year period, the
IHS sterilized fifty-six out of 165 women

between the ages of thirty and forty-four in the survey area.
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If the Nazis cover it up fairly well then Hitler is thought of as a more bigoted version of Bismark, a nationalist though one who shot his mouth off about Jews and others a lot.

So that means anti Semitism is probably stronger in the US without the Holocaust to discredit it.
 
Well, it was impossible to keep around 6 million sterilized Jews (and some hundred thousand Roma) in ghettoes without starving them to death. The Nazis destroyed economies of the occupied countries, especially urban economies, and majority of the European Jews were low-paid urban workers, traders and so on. Jews couldn't be profitably employed in the German military industry without being sufficiently well-fed, but Germany had troubles feeding its own population, and there was no labor shortage in Germany before 1944 (factories worked one-shift).
If somehow the Nazis would have get necessary food for the Jewish and Roma ghettoes, then yes, there would be much more anti-Semitism after the WWII, the State of Israel would have even less support for its creation than in OTL, and (in the not very probable case of its appearing on the map) it would have weird and very dangerous demographical structure after some 30 years of existence, because first post-WWII aliyah's immigrants would start to become unable to work without comparable replacement.
However, in the first decades of its independence Israel would have much bigger population, with dire consequences for its Arab neighbours.
As for the Roma's fate after the Nazi sterilization... Well, their children (and the Roma as group - after the generation) wouldn't be missed by majority of their pre-War neighbours. Sorry, but anti-Roma attitudes are very widespread even now, when democratic values are much more deeply rooted in Europe; immediately after 1945 it was the case much more.
 
Sadly all too much

As a person with cerebral palsy, I can tell you I knew of sterlizations of young women in my situation as late in the 70's.
It was not so much a government program, as family were encouraged to allow it. A woman I knew who wanted to get married, with CP, was told to go to a doctor relative for the blood test, then held down sedated and steralised against her will. Also Bertha Bobath that rehab guru who makes Bettleheim look like Captain Kangaroo, advocated it as part of her NDT program. Her Treatment of adults with cerebral palsy, spends a whole chapter on our over developed sex drive.
 
Before I go into any detail over this what if, I have to make clear my own personal views as it is a controversial subject. I personally feel that this would be almost as bad as the holocaust of otl, in that the Nazis would be deliberately wiping a race off of the face of the map. The fact that it would not occur in such a swift or brutal act does not diminish this.

That said, what if the Nazi state followed a process of sterilisation of all Jews, Gypsies and other such groups, whilst keeping them in ghettoes as opposed to the gas chambers and camps of our timeline? How would this affect histories view of the Nazi regime and anti-semitism both inside Germany and across the world?

The reason I ask the question is that I recently watched the HBO film Conspiracy, based on the Wannsee conference, during which it was given as one of the options.
They'd lose WWII. Alot of the war effort was funded by taking the assets of Jews. Of course there was the problem of dealing with the Jews still in the country.
 
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