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What if Spain tried to conquer the countries of Tunisia,Morocco,Algeria, after they lost Latin American countries ?
 
Spain would have more people they could export to North Africa than France historically did. They'd likely be more zealous in converting locals as well.

Algeria seems the easiest given historic claims to Oran. I think Morocco and Tunisia are less likely. Maybe they could take over Algeria with French support.
 

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Pod after 1898 is to late I assume.

Definitely too late. The OP had to be thinking of this in terms of Spain from about 1825 on to the end of the 19th century. So after the loss of the Latin American mainland, not of Cuba and Puerto Rico.

If there's a PoD from 1825, 1830 just seems to be a bit early for the Spanish to be jumping into Algeria with both feet, in terms of Spanish exhaustion. However, if there's a PoD that early that just pushes off France, and Spain gets interested in the 1840s or 1850s, I could see stuff happen. We would need to stabilize Spain more internally in the meantime.
 

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The Spanish government wanted to fight American colonies independence movement and assembled thousands of troops to send to new world. The problem was that the troops did not want to go and revolted.

So I find it difficult that Spanish troops will to go to North Africa to fight if they just refused to go. Plus Spain went through several major political upheavals during 19th century. So you need there to be political stability in Spain to move into North Africa.

France started its conquest of Algeria in the 1830s só for Spain to take Oran it would have to be before France. Then move on Morocco but several countries wanted to do same.
 
What if Spain tried to conquer the countries of Tunisia,Morocco,Algeria, after they lost Latin American countries ?

They get swatted down by the Ottomans, who use the incursions as a stepping stone to restablishing tighter rule over their North African vassals. Constantinople may not stand up to France, but they sure as hell could block an unsupported Spain
 
19th century Spain was pretty broke and often fighting itself (Carlist Wars). Even though they did manage to grab the northern part of Morocco (minus Tangiers), and did defeat the Moroccans in a war, any sustained campaign would have bankrupted them. But a more stable Spain might be able to grab more or all of Morocco over the course of the 19th century, providing some concessions were given to France and Britain (due to the Straits of Gibraltar being so important), so once again they'd probably have to turn Tangier into some sort of international zone.

Spain would have more people they could export to North Africa than France historically did. They'd likely be more zealous in converting locals as well.

Some went to Morocco, but I don't think expanding the territory much will get much more than what the Pied Noirs were to Algeria.

If they tried to convert the locals (this isn't 16th century Spain, this is 19th century Spain which had sizable amounts of anticlericalism), then they'd just get a huge revolt, which they'd have quite some trouble putting down (see the Rif War).

Algeria seems the easiest given historic claims to Oran. I think Morocco and Tunisia are less likely. Maybe they could take over Algeria with French support.

They did have some claim to the Oran region, which is closer to Morocco in culture in many ways (and indeed was historically often owned by the Moroccan sultans). Franco tried to acquire the region (along with the rest of Morocco) as part of his terms for joining the Axis.[/QUOTE]
 
They get swatted down by the Ottomans, who use the incursions as a stepping stone to restablishing tighter rule over their North African vassals. Constantinople may not stand up to France, but they sure as hell could block an unsupported Spain
That depends. In the second half of the XIX century both countries are filled with issues, cannot say which one would perform better without support, which is unlikely to happen anyway.
 

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That depends. In the second half of the XIX century both countries are filled with issues, cannot say which one would perform better without support, which is unlikely to happen anyway.
Ok you forget past 1830 you can kiss any chance of getting Algeria goodbye because the French had captured it already.
 
After the hell of Napoleonic occupation they're too busy rebuilding to do much else.

Now if you want a strong Spanish Empire, fresh from conquering Elizabethan England and unchallenged looking for new conquests...
 
That depends. In the second half of the XIX century both countries are filled with issues, cannot say which one would perform better without support, which is unlikely to happen anyway.

Considering the Ottomans have the 3rd largest navy in the world in the 60's and early 70's without any extra-european commitments, and post Liberal Revolution Spain is virtually out of power projection, I don't see the time frame this works in.
 
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