What are the best chances of the Southern Song dynasty to survive the Mongol invasion and live in coexistence with the fledgling Yuan dynasty in the north?
How will this affect Asian history?
How will this affect Asian history?
If you are to mention older threads, then you should as well at least give your opinion on the subject, even if it's extracted from an older argument. Otherwise, it just seems rude to just throw links to older threads.Other discussions in a similar vein that you might want to look at for ideas include
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If you are to mention older threads, then you should as well at least give your opinion on the subject, even if it's extracted from an older argument. Otherwise, it just seems rude to just throw links to older threads.
I think the Mongols would have attacked the Song Dynasty eventually regardless of whether they honored agreements or not.It's not the first time they attacked a former ally.You can start with Song not backstabbing Mongols due to disagreements over division of Jin.
Really, they haven't learned from the previous fiasco of backstabbing Jurchen due to disagreements over division of Khitan. Song were as greedy as they were incompetent.
Yes, but to be fair to the mongols, everyone kept murdering their envoys, breaking their agreements, and generally asking to be invaded.I think the Mongols would have attacked the Song Dynasty eventually regardless of whether they honored agreements or not.It's not the first time they attacked a former ally.
Initially maybe,but many invasions started simply because people refused to pay tribute or submit to them.Yes, but to be fair to the mongols, everyone kept murdering their envoys, breaking their agreements, and generally asking to be invaded.
I mean, how many mongol invasions didn't start with some city-dwelling smug jerk sure he could take on some smelly barbarians?
I would like to see statistics: Wars where mongols attacked, wars when mongols were attacked, and wars where technically mongols attacked first, but the assholes being invaded had it coming.
Yes, but to be fair to the mongols, everyone kept murdering their envoys, breaking their agreements, and generally asking to be invaded.
I mean, how many mongol invasions didn't start with some city-dwelling smug jerk being sure he could take on a bunch of smelly barbarians?
I would like to see statistics: Wars where mongols attacked, wars when mongols were attacked, and wars where technically mongols attacked first, but the assholes being invaded had it coming.
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