WI: Shogun Wins

What if the Shogun won over the Emperor and continued to keep Japan a closed society? How long would it take for Japan to finally open up? 10 years? 20? 100?
 
bleh? ... no mention of when you ask about and such.

Top of my head would be you trying to ask about Meiji restoration having the Tokugawa shogunate win over the Satsuma-Chōshū Alliance whom had conquered Kyoto and 'forced' the Emperor to place his symbolic authority behind them.

5-10 years at most ... the Shogun had to fight an uphill battle on several fronts and was forced to win all but the most minor skirmish (and even then it's questionable), or his position would collaspe
 

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What if the Shogun won over the Emperor and continued to keep Japan a closed society? How long would it take for Japan to finally open up? 10 years? 20? 100?

The Shogunate was trying to modernize as well, hell they declared a Republic of Ezo when they got kicked off of mainland Japan. By the time the conflict came into the open as Shogun vs Emperor, it was a conflict over which set of elites would manage the modernization, not whether to modernize. Before that, it was the pro Imperial forces trying to push the "Respect the Emperor, Expel the Foreign Barbarians" schtick. After a few Western punitive expeditions, it became clear that the Japanese couldn't successfully expel the Westerners, and modernization became the clear way forward.
 
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