WI: Settler colonialism Was Used Worldwide?
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Offer them free medical service and examination but in reality you sterilize them.
These threads are always interesting to me, because no one ever asks "WI Britain set up a school system in India as good as the American one in the Philippines?" or "would earlier self-rule in India have led to greater industrialization?"
Instead we sprinkle white people like they're leavening in dough.
Instead we sprinkle white people like they're leavening in dough.
Well it would have lead to independence movement's early on. India could have industrially surpass the British Empire
Sterilizing millions of people won't lead to an independence movement, but schools would?
TBF that was sort of British rule.
In the racial ideology of the day, those races (Africans, Indians, etc.) were inferior races, but not really races to wipe out. Even the point of eugenics was to remove the worst elements of the race and by that means elevate it. Thus, I think the majority of your hardcore colonialists might feel some problem with mass sterilisation of their colonial subjects.
Flocculencio
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People aren't idiots. In 1970s India the government tried this and it led to massove unrest- and that was with a reasonably popular government with some form of democratic mandate (however authoritarian Indira Gandhi was she wasn't a foreign autocrat).
In any case when you're talking about pre-20th century medicine, European doctors don't really have a comparative advantage to Asian ones. "Oh hey, have some laudanaum for your tuberculosis, and let's just perform invasive surgery that will probably lead to sepsis given that we don't really grasp germ theory yet. If you survive you won't be able to have more children to work your farm. Yaaaaay"
You really don't get that my ancestors had as much agency as yours do you?
For Spain at least, they limited settlers to being from Castille and not Aragon. And I think ships could only leave from a tiny number of ports, mostly in Andalucía. Maybe if they didn't have those rules and allowed for all of Spain to settle while also allowing for all of their ports to be open to New World traffic you could see greater Iberian settlement early on in Spanish colonies?
Oh please, it is extremely common to see threads here regarding Islam all across Europe, industrial China, etc.... Also, if you and others like you feel so annoyed at discussion on whites, start a thread regarding discussion of whatever you find appropriate. I for instance understand most people here are white westerners, so it makes sense that they discuss their history. Regardless, I have even started (never finished due to time) a tl that did not even mention Europe after pages of updates.
Also, do not get me started on how this site is filled with people seeking diversity, but when diversity knocks on their door, they are nowhere to be found.
Not magic, but they bring in a good deal of capital that subsistence farmers usually don't have and more importantly secure investment from the motherland who is much more willing to spend money on whites than non whites. Sad, but such is the nature of colonialism.
I don't mind the idea of a thread on more white settler colonies, because I can think of places where you can get them. The problem is bad history, assuming that the way to get a successful society is to settle more white people somewhere.
Not More White, but a educated Citezen and a Economical development Nation is the best to get a successful society
RousseauX
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Ethics aside, no, the chief reason is because 1) You want those guys to work for you to generate $$$ and 2) enforced sterilization isn't do-able when you are like 5% of the population vs 95% of the population which gets really pissed at you when you try to neuter them.
RousseauX
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Latin America is basically the sort of society you are proposing: which are white settler colonies built upon existing native societies and social structures. and their success has being mixed at very best.
RousseauX
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the fact that you say this and a couple of posts later goes "what if we sterilize the natives for lebensraum because more whites == better economy" is kinda ummmm
RousseauX
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People (yes even non-whites!) are not that stupid and catches on those things really fast
btw isn't this literally exactly what Israel did with Ethopian jews who tried to immigrate to their country
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RousseauX
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The problem was never capital or lack-thereof: the problem was with institutions built to exploit colonies (see British wheat boards in Africa for example) vs inclusive institutions build in settler colonies because it was politically impossible to exploit whites the same amount as blacks and browns. The latter leads to much more development on the long run. While the former was always a hindrance for development and decolonization simply transfered them from the hands of colonial elites to local elites who continue to use them to loot their countries to put moer $$$ into their swiss bank accounts.
If you want a straight up comparison: see the American North vs the American South for most of the 19th-20th century and compare their level of economic development