WI: Settler colonialism Was Used Worldwide?

North Africa around the Mediterranean, Southern Africa, and especially Latin America could have had far more European settlers with the right PoDs. Latin America already has a strong majority of settlers over natives if we include Africans.

Whether or not this improves their living standards will depend on the institutions they build. Becoming as strong as the OTL US is certainly possible with a Latin America collectively, but will be very difficult for a single independent state that isn't Brazil size with great institutions. Maybe a hardcore wanked South Africa that gets settled earlier and much more aggressively, builds great institutions, and settles Namibia/Botswana/Zimbabwe/Mozambique/Angola and remains one independent unified uber wealthy state that integrates the entire population by the present. Otherwise I don't believe any area can be US level with conventional OTL colonization without cheating.
 
North Africa around the Mediterranean, Southern Africa, and especially Latin America could have had far more European settlers with the right PoDs. Latin America already has a strong majority of settlers over natives if we include Africans.

Whether or not this improves their living standards will depend on the institutions they build. Becoming as strong as the OTL US is certainly possible with a Latin America collectively, but will be very difficult for a single independent state that isn't Brazil size with great institutions.
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Even with the help of a very powerful nation?
 
I was wondering since i read Viriato Second post Majority White-European African country?
If somehow European power develop quinine as a treatment for malaria along with air-conditioning, could we have somehow more Europeans in Africa and possibly Asia

You could maybe get up to 60% in South Africa but that would be a big stretch and require significantly more immigration than OTL. The only other spots would be Kenya and (ex)-Rhodesia for Britain and Southwest Africa for Germany, those could perhaps get up to South African levels of Europeans in them if the colonial powers really work at it.
 
Not enough settlers and too much natives.
Yeah this require the ISOT of major SS leaders to explain the premise of industrial genocide, and even then natives that survive would probably repopulate at the world before Europe builds up the population levels to colonize literally everywhere.
 
You could maybe get up to 60% in South Africa but that would be a big stretch and require significantly more immigration than OTL. The only other spots would be Kenya and (ex)-Rhodesia for Britain and Southwest Africa for Germany, those could perhaps get up to South African levels of Europeans in them if the colonial powers really work at it.
How many Europeans I could maybe Get in other Areas such as the Congo And West Africa, and maybe Indonesia?
 
How many Europeans I could maybe Get in other Areas such as the Congo And West Africa, and maybe Indonesia?

You do realise that without modern medicine West Africa was a deathtrap for Europeans?

Indonesia had heavily populated sophisticated states, that in many cases weren't subdued by the Dutch until the early 20th C.

A lot of people in this thread don't seem to get that European colonisation in Asia was a relatively slow process, most of which boiled down to achieving economic hegemony because (A) Europe only really pulled ahead technologically in the 19th C, and (B) direct control is both expensive and impractical (which is why even the quintessential 19th C Empire, the Indian Raj only directly controlled half of the subcontinent, leaving the rest to essentially vassal rulers).
 

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If you somehow avoid the World Wars then maybe some more of the attempts to create settler colonies could succeed.



Maybe.
 
How many Europeans I could maybe Get in other Areas such as the Congo And West Africa, and maybe Indonesia?

The Congo was almost a literal death sentence for a lot of people. And Indonesia is full of locals. If you want a settler colony there has to be few locals and a lot of arable land. Asia will never take off as a settler colony because its mostly already full up, but southern Africa and small portions of East Africa potentially could.
 
One thing to keep in mind is that often Europeans didn't want a settler colony. British Kenya kept out poor whites because it was supposed to be a playground for the rich.
 
Yes, just so they can obtain a south Africa look

South Africa's "look" was down to relatively low populations of black africans and Khoisan in an area which wasn't hugely suitable to the black crop package resulting in a small population of Khoisan at the Cape and relatively low black population densities.

If you can think of an effective way for a relatively small population of Europeans to sterilize a few million Javanese without getting strung up from the nearest telegraph post, be my guest.
 
If you can think of an effective way for a relatively small population of Europeans to sterilize a few million Javanese without getting strung up from the nearest telegraph post, be my guest.

Even if you could, why bother? Nobody went to India because England needed more farmland. They wanted textile markets and cash crops.
 
You could maybe get up to 60% in South Africa but that would be a big stretch and require significantly more immigration than OTL. The only other spots would be Kenya and (ex)-Rhodesia for Britain and Southwest Africa for Germany, those could perhaps get up to South African levels of Europeans in them if the colonial powers really work at it.

Don't forget parts of Tanzania, Mozambique, Angola, and Katanga, which have similar climates to Rhodesia and would be suitable for Europeans. Angola and Mozambique indeed did have hundreds of thousands of Portuguese in them before their wars of independence.

One thing to keep in mind is that often Europeans didn't want a settler colony. British Kenya kept out poor whites because it was supposed to be a playground for the rich.

True, and I believe Rhodesia as well had immigration restrictions. Kenya easily could've gone the path Rhodesia did if it had only a few thousand more whites. And it would've ended in a very similar way. The only future for Europeans in Africa was basically to accept that times had changed and embrace minority rule on a fair basis. And hopefully you'd have governments which would tolerate no violence against either whites or blacks (or anyone else like the large Indian minority).

Yes, just so they can obtain a south Africa look

They could, but remember that Europeans "sterilised" themselves all the time too, through birth control methods. Vasectomies were originally associated with the eugenics movement (forcible vasectomies were employed), and were used to control birth rates in the third world as well.

Your OP post implies development of what we call the Third World, and birth control is only a part of that development. Historically, birth control promotion (be it sterilisation or otherwise) has been used as a sort of cure-all and overemphasised for the issues faced in those regions--it certainly helps, but is by no means the only thing needed.

Indonesia, by the way, was also a deathtrap for Europeans. Over a million Europeans died either in the Dutch East Indies or en route to the Dutch East Indies of disease. The population growth of Europeans in Batavia was effectively stagnant.

If you consider Latin America "white" (most of them are pretty much white plus American Indian genetically, and culturally more or less Western), I think you could do something similar to South Africa. But as I said, you're replacing the "Native American" component in Latin American ancestry with an African component, and you'll get something that looks like Brazil (very multiracial) rather than some "Europe in Africa". MAYBE on the coastal fringes like Mozambique and Angola you can also replicate that, but the interior lands of Africa (Katanga, etc.) which are good for Europeans are too deep into there to be colonised at an early enough date to Europeanise the locals.

North Africa can become European if you just change the definition of European. Genetically, the populations aren't too far different than Southern Europeans, and if there were no Islam, they would've developed a shared culture with Italians, Spaniards, and those on the other side of the Mediterranean. The Maghreb would've spoken Romance languages and maybe been particularly "European". Egypt and the Levant would've retained a less European quality, but still have been part of that culturally "European"/Western realm (Egypt would've spoken Coptic, the Levant would've spoken Aramaic). The populations of the Levant and Egypt are likely to look similar to today in any case, just culturally and linguistically different.
 
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