WI: Scandinavian Kingdom of the Isles

ingemann

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Which union would be the most powerful?

Denmark-Sweden in fact until 1300 Denmark would likely have a bigger population than all three other countries.

But I don't really see the same rivalcy. Norway-Scotland would look toward the British Isles, while Denmark-Sweden would look toward the Baltic and North Germany. There's not really much conflict of interest. Of course a union with Denmark could pull the Danish eyes to the British islands, the Scots a minor power was able to be a pain in the ass for the British on their own, it could be interesting to see how messy it would be, if the Norwegians and Danes joined the mess.
 
yeah ... a Norwegian-Scottish personal union on one hand and a Danish-Swedish one on the other would probably be relatively peaceful due to different points of focus ... As ingemann said, the majority if not all of Denmark/Sweden's focus would be on the Baltic and the surrounding coastlands
 
Yeah Denmark Sweden would probably be mainly concerned with making the Baltic their own personal lake. Norway Scotland will probably be mainly a North Sea power and later a minor colonial power.
 
With the addition of Scotland how much more powerful would a united kingdom of Denmark, Norway and Scotland be?

Also what would relations with England be like?
 

ingemann

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With the addition of Scotland how much more powerful would a united kingdom of Denmark, Norway and Scotland be?

Also what would relations with England be like?

Around 1/5 large population, but there would be significant benefits for both. Denmark was a surplus producer of food and Norway surplus producer of timber. Denmark suffered from a lack of fuel (and tree was not cost effiecient to transport for burning) and iron, which Scotland had more than enough of. So a union would mean that Denmark wouldn't need to import coal and iron, while the mining in Scotland would explode in size. It would likely result in Scotland being much earlier developed, while Denmark could be a much more active player.
 
Around 1/5 large population, but there would be significant benefits for both. Denmark was a surplus producer of food and Norway surplus producer of timber. Denmark suffered from a lack of fuel (and tree was not cost effiecient to transport for burning) and iron, which Scotland had more than enough of. So a union would mean that Denmark wouldn't need to import coal and iron, while the mining in Scotland would explode in size. It would likely result in Scotland being much earlier developed, while Denmark could be a much more active player.

What would a more active Denmark be like in terms of foreign policy? Does it have many places it can take a much bigger part in?
 
Denmark-Sweden in fact until 1300 Denmark would likely have a bigger population than all three other countries.

But I don't really see the same rivalcy. Norway-Scotland would look toward the British Isles, while Denmark-Sweden would look toward the Baltic and North Germany. There's not really much conflict of interest. Of course a union with Denmark could pull the Danish eyes to the British islands, the Scots a minor power was able to be a pain in the ass for the British on their own, it could be interesting to see how messy it would be, if the Norwegians and Danes joined the mess.

I see your point. Probably just minor scuffles over the border. Will one union-state gain the Lapp-Sami in entirety here?

I'll also point out that you probably meant "the Scots a minor power was able to be a pain in the ass for the English" since the Scots are British too (James I & VI claimed England + Scotland = Great Britain ;))
 

ingemann

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I'll also point out that you probably meant "the Scots a minor power was able to be a pain in the ass for the English" since the Scots are British too (James I & VI claimed England + Scotland = Great Britain ;))

Don't start, I really don't care, for me the British islands are the English Islands and UK are just a fancy name for England, which you have adopted to irritated foreigners.
 
It seems a kingdom of Denmark, Norway and Scotland when it comes to British Isles affairs is rather similar to OTL Scotland. If so could could we see England added to this kingdom via marriage?
 
Guys

Isn't the easiest way to achieve the continued Scandinavian control keeping Scotland weak and divided? It was after all the Stuarts who ended up conquering the place wasn't it? If you have something like a continued split between the lowlands and the highlands, possibly with a more successful Macbeth and successor. Possibly also if you have the Normans defeated in 1066 so they neither pose a threat from their English possessions or via imported Norman nobles help centralise Scotland?

Steve
 
Don't start, I really don't care, for me the British islands are the English Islands and UK are just a fancy name for England, which you have adopted to irritated foreigners.

ingemann

You do realise how many Scots and Welsh you have pissed off by that, let along those English who are fed up with being overlooked.;)

Steve
 
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