WI: Russia wins the Soviet-Polish war?

So, how likely is a Russian victory in the Battle of Warsaw? And what would be the likely results? Some random thoughts...

-Russia will likely set up a "Polish SSR" that would become a founding member of the USSR along with the RSFSR, Ukraine, Belarus, and Transcaucasia

-The Soviets' success in Poland will likely embolden them to attack Germany, possibly with help from whatever's left of the Spartacus movement. I highly doubt it will work, even considering the state the German army was in at the time.

-But, the mere prospect of a Soviet takeover of Germany will spook the hell out of Western Europe. Germany will probably use this to argue for the lifting of the Versailles Treaty armament limitations and at least some of the reparitions. I think Britain and the US might be more sympathetic to this idea than the French. If not immediately, then with a Soviet presence on Germany's border, I do think at least some of Versailles will be rescended at some point.

-A Germany that is allowed to have a substantial army, and is viewed in the international community as some sort of anti-Communist bulwark, probably isn't going to have the feelings of bitterness and resentment that the Nazis so ably capitalized on. I think we might still see a right-wing anti-communist dictatorship, but not something so...extreme as OTL

-What happens to the Baltics in this scenario? I suspect that with Poland gone, they're pretty much done for unless Britain or France intervines.

-If Russia still sets up the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, might it be in some part of Poland that actually has a large native Jewish population?

-What of the future? The USSR will probably be percieved as more of a threat, so might we see an alliance system of Soviet Russia vs. everyone else in Europe emerge? If the Baltics survive, perhaps a Soviet attack on them could trigger *WWII

Other thoughts?
 
A WI to include here as well would be a Soviet victory in Finland. If the Soviets win in both Finland & Poland, then this could cause some really big scares in Europe.
 
A WI to include here as well would be a Soviet victory in Finland. If the Soviets win in both Finland & Poland, then this could cause some really big scares in Europe.

You mean the Finnish Civil War in 1917-1918? As I understand it, the Finnish whites had the Germans backing them up, and I don't think that the USSR tried invading Finland until 1939.
 

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Would Germany attempt to retake the Corridor and Upper Silesia between the time Warsaw falls and the red army reaches the border?
 

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So, how likely is a Russian victory in the Battle of Warsaw? And what would be the likely results? Some random thoughts...

-Russia will likely set up a "Polish SSR" that would become a founding member of the USSR along with the RSFSR, Ukraine, Belarus, and Transcaucasia

-The Soviets' success in Poland will likely embolden them to attack Germany, possibly with help from whatever's left of the Spartacus movement. I highly doubt it will work, even considering the state the German army was in at the time.

-But, the mere prospect of a Soviet takeover of Germany will spook the hell out of Western Europe. Germany will probably use this to argue for the lifting of the Versailles Treaty armament limitations and at least some of the reparitions. I think Britain and the US might be more sympathetic to this idea than the French. If not immediately, then with a Soviet presence on Germany's border, I do think at least some of Versailles will be rescended at some point.

-A Germany that is allowed to have a substantial army, and is viewed in the international community as some sort of anti-Communist bulwark, probably isn't going to have the feelings of bitterness and resentment that the Nazis so ably capitalized on. I think we might still see a right-wing anti-communist dictatorship, but not something so...extreme as OTL

-What happens to the Baltics in this scenario? I suspect that with Poland gone, they're pretty much done for unless Britain or France intervines.

-If Russia still sets up the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, might it be in some part of Poland that actually has a large native Jewish population?

-What of the future? The USSR will probably be percieved as more of a threat, so might we see an alliance system of Soviet Russia vs. everyone else in Europe emerge? If the Baltics survive, perhaps a Soviet attack on them could trigger *WWII

Other thoughts?

The problem is how though. How will the Soviets win? They had just about everything going against them, especially logistics. Even if my some miracle they win the battle of Warsaw, they won't really be able to finish off the Poles until they fix their problems of supply. In the meantime the Poles can just retreat, resupply/refit, and get more western arms. In the meantime the Germans might get some concessions for allowing the French or Brits to transport things through their country, especially after hampering supply efforts (Danzig wasn't big enough to really let in lots of supply yet, so much had to move through France and then Germany). The Soviets aren't going to win the war, but they may scare Britain and France enough to provoke them to take a much more interventionalist approach to the Soviet problem. The Germans really are the only ones to benefit from that situation, as both the Brits and French had strong labor/leftist movements that were heavily predisposed to the Soviets. In fact they delayed/sabotaged shipments of aid to the Poles to aid the Soviets and a true deployment may see them full on revolt.
 
Assuming the Reds win, I wonder what the consequences would be Orthograhpically. Would Polish be cyrillicized, would the USSR abolish cyrillic entirely if their westward foray was more successfull due to the fall of Poland?
 
But the Turkic languages of the USSR changed writing systems repeatedly during Communist rule. The same is true of Mongolia IIRC.

Both are rather smaller and less literate than Poland. It's easy to change the writing system if only a few people are affected. It's less easy when the vast majority of the population is literate.
 
Both are rather smaller and less literate than Poland. It's easy to change the writing system if only a few people are affected. It's less easy when the vast majority of the population is literate.
Not to mention Poland had earlier experience with russification and retained the Latin alphabet.
 
Both are rather smaller and less literate than Poland. It's easy to change the writing system if only a few people are affected. It's less easy when the vast majority of the population is literate.

So why is the reverse not possible, the formal Romanization of the East Slavic languages?
 
What happens to Danzig and the Polish Corridor? Would Germany be in any position to secure it (and maybe Posen) too when it becomes clear Poland has fallen to the communists?
 
The Germans wouldn't try and take Danzig by force. The League of Nations had already declared it a "free city", essentially making it and the surrounding area an independent city-state. As for the Corridor, I'm not as sure since it nominally remained in Polish hands.
 
The Germans may try to win point with the Allies by setting up some kind of Free Polish protectorate in the Corridor. Danzig would probably stay independent, but there may be some kind of Saar-like plebiscite that brings it back into Germany.
 
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