WI: Romania goes communist in 1918/19

I have been contemplating a few scenarios where postbellum goes different in Central Europe. The Hungarian Soviet was such unlikely but impactful formation that got me thinking: what if Hungary manages avoid Communist takeover, but Romania falls to a Communist revolution in the wake of German and Austro-Hungarian withdrawal?

Potential PoD might be that in 1916 the Central Powers manage to completely take over Romania, stripping it from all useful resources and disarming it, thereby creating a more weakened and unstable situation by 1918. The rest of the war goes mostly as OTL, with the exception that Hungary manages to retain a government that is an acceptable partner for the Entente (perhaps the Karolyi government does not happen and a lot of turmoil is averted). However, as the occupiers leave, Romania remains plundered and unrest leads to the Communists seizing power, probably with Russian help.

Admittedly I am not really knowledgeable on the state of Romanian communist movements in 1918, so this might need some elbow grease to actually work, that's why I came up with a more severe CP occupation as a PoD.

Would the Entente intervene? Could Poland (probably not) or Czechoslovakia? Could the Russians provide support? If Romania remains firmly Communist and allied with the Soviets they would probably not get a seat and the table and the Entente might go easier on Hungary as they want to avoid the Red spreading further? Any thoughts?
 
I have been contemplating a few scenarios where postbellum goes different in Central Europe. The Hungarian Soviet was such unlikely but impactful formation that got me thinking: what if Hungary manages avoid Communist takeover, but Romania falls to a Communist revolution in the wake of German and Austro-Hungarian withdrawal?
Hard to see a scenario where this doesn’t end with Hungarian troops in Bucharest (for a second time) to be honest. However, if it does succeed I could foresee the authoritarian movements in the Balkans
I’d expect the Allies to go easier on Austria and Hungary, maybe even allowing them to keep large armies.
I think Soviet-Romanian linkage is possible and if so the question becomes - would Romania be annexed as an SSR?
 
Potential PoD might be that in 1916 the Central Powers manage to completely take over Romania, stripping it from all useful resources and disarming it, thereby creating a more weakened and unstable situation by 1918.
It already did so IOTL, how you can make the situation worse than the entire country starving and Bucharest being "without bread" in 1919?
As early as summer 1918, German authorities were noting the social and political implications of an expanding famine in Romania. Heavy usage and requisitions had produced shortages of draught animals, manpower, machinery, and tools, resulting in rapidly falling agricultural production. Romania's staple industry was in chaos after almost two years of effective Raubwirtschaft. German sources, for example, reported in January 1919 that wheat flour had disappeared entirely and that "the city of Bucharest is without bread". Romania ceased to export grain at all, instead importing grain and other foodstuffs as grain production fell to thirty-five percent of prewar averages in 1919 and 1920. Indeed, Romania was reduced to pleading with Herbert Hoover for emergency assistance in food, clothing, and shoes. Soon thereafter the Romanian state was forced onto the international grain market, exchanging its treasury notes for foreign grain, reselling the grain domestically at a steep discount." Domestic production had plummeted and domestic purchasing power was deeply reduced, such that Romania could neither feed itself nor could its inhabitants buy food with the cash on hand. Instead, food had to be purchased against future income.
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The rest of the war goes mostly as OTL, with the exception that Hungary manages to retain a government that is an acceptable partner for the Entente (perhaps the Karolyi government does not happen and a lot of turmoil is averted).
Karolyi was as Entente friendly as one could get, he did EVERYTHING they told him to do. Problem was the Entente is much more concerned with giving its allies territories than respecting their principle of self-determination for a CP member, not the leader in charge.
However, as the occupiers leave, Romania remains plundered and unrest leads to the Communists seizing power, probably with Russian help.
Only way I see the communists taking power is the Bolsheviks marching all the way to Bucharest; the Romanian Communist Party was formed by radical members of the Social-Democratic party in 1921 which is WAY too late for any communist uprising.
Would the Entente intervene?
Just supporting the "White" faction would be enough for any "domestic" communist uprising, but if need be the "Armée d'Orient" is still in the area IIRC, and what went to Odessa IOTL would be redirected to Romania; in case of a Bolshevik invasion and Romania is overrun they would be a little bit more careful, though they would likely intervene to restore the Kingdom.
Could Poland (probably not) or Czechoslovakia?
Poland has an ongoing war with the Soviets and likely no land connection to Romania- they have other priorities, Czechoslovakia still has Hungary in the middle as Carpatho-Ukraine was still under Hungarian control ATP.
Could the Russians provide support?
It's unlikely they do much, they didn't support Hungary IOTL; so any domestic communist uprising will likely be left on its own soon to be crushed by the "Whites" and ends up being what the HSR is today at best- a footnote and an interesting POD. A Bolshevik invasion, interesting it may be, is not very likely either, they have MUCH more important priorities during this entire time; at most some minor border changes in favor of the (future) USSR.
If Romania remains firmly Communist and allied with the Soviets they would probably not get a seat and the table and the Entente might go easier on Hungary as they want to avoid the Red spreading further?
They wouldn't give any more territories to Romania (though seeing the state of the Hungarian army, the communists likely take a lot of land from them; and a good part of former Hungarian territory was under occupation from very early on regardless of further border changes) and since the Hungarians and Bulgarians aren't as hated by the Big Four as other belligerents are, they likely are allowed to have a larger army than OTL (though still with restrictions).
Any thoughts?
Assuming it survives the Interwar period and events in Europe are roughly the same (Great Depression, Hitler takes power, war starts over Poland...) the fact that the Germans would have to invade Romania and lack its resources at the beginning mean more casualties and their advances in the USSR are stopped sooner; though they do benefit from the fact that Hungary has a larger army (but still claims on Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia which ensures it to come in their sphere). Bulgaria might not join the Axis until much later since IOTL it was essentially bullied into doing so by the Germans, who now have much more difficulties in doing so. Romania would be expanded at the expense of Hungary and Bulgaria post-WW2.
Hard to see a scenario where this doesn’t end with Hungarian troops in Bucharest (for a second time) to be honest.
Why would there be Hungarian troops in Bucharest? Also what Hungarian troops, the few divisions that have not been demobilized?
However, if it does succeed I could foresee the authoritarian movements in the Balkans
What kind of authoritarian movements in the Balkans?
I’d expect the Allies to go easier on Austria and Hungary, maybe even allowing them to keep large armies.
Austria is completely disconnected from Romania, why would they be allowed to have a larger army?
I think Soviet-Romanian linkage is possible and if so the question becomes - would Romania be annexed as an SSR?
If we assume a domestic uprising then probably not, and there would be little benefit from annexing it later on, though in practice the difference would be minimal as any Soviet leader could do as he pleases.
 
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Karolyi was as Entente friendly as one could get, he did EVERYTHING they told him to do.
Yes, but arguably he contributed to the communist takeover by completely demobilizing. If he is not in power it might butterfly away the Hungarian Soviet,

t's unlikely they do much, they didn't support Hungary IOTL
Yes, but they didn't have any land connection to them either. In this case it may be easier with Romania.
 
Yes, but arguably he contributed to the communist takeover by completely demobilizing. If he is not in power it might butterfly away the Hungarian Soviet,
Yes, but his replacement (if he is different) would butt head with the Entente and end up in a war with them at some point, it's not like he would perform better. And I don't see how preventing a communist uprising in Hungary makes Romania go communist.
Yes, but they didn't have any land connection to them either. In this case it may be easier with Romania.
The Soviets were (at the very least planning) to send help to the German communists and were supporting Kemal in his war of independence; meanwhile they did nothing, AFAIK, to support the Hungarians. IMO they showed that they were not interested, if the proletarian revolution in Hungary succeeded than better for them, but they wouldn't actively try to save it; Romania would not even get a communist government in the first place since the revolt would likely be crushed, and the Bolsheviks have troubles of their own during the entire time- Romania wouldn't be prioritized over Denikin marching on Moscow.
 
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And I don't see how preventing a communist uprising in Hungary makes Romania go communist
It doesn't, I just wanted to do a switch, to make it interesting, because a Romanian Soviet instead of Hungarian has a lot of possibilities.

What would need to change for the Soviets to be able to help out and actually want to help out?
 
What would need to change for the Soviets to be able to help out and actually want to help out?
You need to change everything from the moment the Bolsheviks take power up until the communist uprising; like an earlier and milder Brest-Litovsk, the Whites being defeated sooner one way or the other (which requires more the Whites to screw up than the Bolsheviks to perform better) and having an early peace with Poland (because otherwise the Bolsheviks are going to prioritize that) and then somewhere in early 1920 the Bolsheviks are "free" to do so and uprisings at home have not yet reached the point where they are forced to compromise. Then by some miracle there is a somewhat successful Romanian communist uprising and the Bolsheviks decide to support it; but even then the chances that this succeeds are very low since in 1920-1 Green uprisings would hamper Bolshevik capabilities of any foreign adventure- even now there is a chance that the "Whites" end up winning the conflict.
The chances of a communist Romania little after WW1 are very low and require a lot of quite unrealistic PODs.
 
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