WI: Richard Nixon Assassinated?

Irony
Nixon once say something like this:

With Agnew as Vice-president, No one will try to kill Me.

Although, there were Two Attempts:
April 13, 1972. Arthur Bremer carried a firearm to an event intending to shoot Nixon, but was put off by strong security.
February 22, 1974: Samuel Byck planned to kill Nixon by crashing a commercial airliner into the White House !
 

bguy

Donor
They would except his resignation and you'd never hear about the bribery again. They are not going to go after a US President for something like this.

Even if he pardoned himself to avoid federal prosecution? That's really going to outrage people.
 

fred1451

Banned
Even if he pardoned himself to avoid federal prosecution? That's really going to outrage people.
And? How much effect is the outrage of a good chunk of it's base having on the establishment wing of the GOP right now? At worse, if they bring the charges they'd allow him to plead No Contest and he'd get hit with fines and maybe probation (I doubt it.), if he's a lawyer he'll get disbarred.
 
The nation would definitely be affected by having two presidents (Kennedy and Nixon ITTL) assassinated within the span of a decade. How much would the American psyche be changed?

Nixon's legacy would also be a lot better ITTL, I assume, with him getting assassinated before Watergate comes out and all.
 
I think he picks Rockefeller for the same reason Ford did. He is identified as a conservative and wants to balance the ticket for 1976.
 
In OTL Nixon's lawyers suggested he could simply pardon himself. Nixon of course refused, because he hadn't done anything wrong - if the President needs to do something to stop Communism, that makes it not illegal.

Agnew has no such delusions of grandeur. He writes himself a pardon for bribery and anything else he's ever done, resigns, and flips reporters the bird as he strolls across the lawn to Marine One. The Supreme Court eventually upholds his self-pardon 8 - 1, because the Constitution neglected to forbid such a stunt. Agnew later becomes a conservative talk-radio host.

Only one problem with your scenario. He can't stroll across the lawn to Marine One. Impossible, never, not possible. 100% never in your scenario. Anyone want to tell Mad Bad Rabbit why?
 
Only one problem with your scenario. He can't stroll across the lawn to Marine One. Impossible, never, not possible. 100% never in your scenario. Anyone want to tell Mad Bad Rabbit why?
Two possibilities:

1) Marine One did not exist yet (or was not for Presidential usage yet).
2) As he has just resigned, ex-President Agnew is not authorized to use Marine One.
 
The nation would definitely be affected by having two presidents (Kennedy and Nixon ITTL) assassinated within the span of a decade. How much would the American psyche be changed?

Nixon's legacy would also be a lot better ITTL, I assume, with him getting assassinated before Watergate comes out and all.

You saw gun control get some Republican support for a short while after Reagan's attempt. In this ATL with Kennedy and Nixon both being SHOT I can see bipartisan gun control legislation. It's early enough that the 2nd amendment has not been applied to states, and in this ATL I can see it never being applied and the same "reasonable restrictions" for public safety (a la "no shouting fire in a crowded theater") being applied to guns; eg- no automatic weapons, no cop killer bullets, earlier requirement for background checks. A lot of loop holes of today won't exist. You'll see a big backlash against non-hunting weapons and a crack down on crime. Probably won't see a big push on mental health, as the relationship between mental health and gun crime is a post-2000 pro-gun advocacy belief. But the push to strict gun control will create that concept of "guns don't kill people, mentally unstable people do" earlier, probably in the 1980s.
 
Two possibilities:

1) Marine One did not exist yet (or was not for Presidential usage yet).
2) As he has just resigned, ex-President Agnew is not authorized to use Marine One.

Second one kind of. The exact reason- Marine One is not a specific helicopter, it is ANY Marine Corp aircraft (yes, including airplane) that is carrying the PRESIDENT. Agnew after he resigns won't be the president, therefore the designation of Marine One can't be used unless the new president happens to be in the helicopter with him, regardless of whether that helicopter is normally Marine One.

Same rules apply to US airforce aircraft- Airforce One is ONLY the designation of the airplane if the sitting US President is aboard, otherwise it is not Airforce One. Non-military aircraft carrying a sitting president are called Executive One for their call sign.
 

bguy

Donor
And? How much effect is the outrage of a good chunk of it's base having on the establishment wing of the GOP right now?

How are those situations analogous? The Republican base doesn't have the means to bring criminal charges against Boehner and McConnell. Maryland prosecutors do have the means to bring criminal charges against Agnew.

At worse, if they bring the charges they'd allow him to plead No Contest and he'd get hit with fines and maybe probation (I doubt it.), if he's a lawyer he'll get disbarred.

Why exactly would any Maryland prosecutor go easy on Agnew? I don't know if the prosecution would be handled by the Maryland Attorney General's Office or by the District Attorney of Anne Arundel County, but either way given that Maryland was predominantly a Democrat state at this time, the odds are the prosecutor is going to be a Democrat. Why would a Democrat prosecutor go easy on a Republican president, who has committed blatant criminal activity and them abused his position to escape federal prosecution? There is no logical reason for the prosecutor to go easy on Agnew. From a political standpoint, prosecuting a criminal Republican ex-president is a huge boon for the Democrats. They want the '74 mid-terms to be about Agnew and a prosecution guarantees it will be. Likewise from a personal standpoint, the prosecutor who successfully prosecutes Agnew will be a national hero who will be able to pretty well write their own ticket going forward. (Successfully prosecuting Al Capone made Dwight Green Governor of Illinois, successfully prosecuting Lucky Luciano made Tom Dewey Governor of New York, and this case makes the Capone and Luciano cases look like jaywalking ticket trials.) And from an interest of justice standpoint, Agnew is guilty of real criminal offenses. This isn't some political witch hunt, Agnew is a blatant crook who deserves to be in prison. With politics, personal ambition, and justice all calling for throwing the book at Agnew, why would the Maryland prosecutors go easy on Agnew?
 
You saw gun control get some Republican support for a short while after Reagan's attempt. In this ATL with Kennedy and Nixon both being SHOT I can see bipartisan gun control legislation. It's early enough that the 2nd amendment has not been applied to states, and in this ATL I can see it never being applied and the same "reasonable restrictions" for public safety (a la "no shouting fire in a crowded theater") being applied to guns; eg- no automatic weapons, no cop killer bullets, earlier requirement for background checks. A lot of loop holes of today won't exist. You'll see a big backlash against non-hunting weapons and a crack down on crime. Probably won't see a big push on mental health, as the relationship between mental health and gun crime is a post-2000 pro-gun advocacy belief. But the push to strict gun control will create that concept of "guns don't kill people, mentally unstable people do" earlier, probably in the 1980s.
This may have been before the NRA's shift to being what it is today. Perhaps the NRA may stay a sportsman's organization, with the GOA being the gun nuts.

How are those situations analogous? The Republican base doesn't have the means to bring criminal charges against Boehner and McConnell. Maryland prosecutors do have the means to bring criminal charges against Agnew.

Why exactly would any Maryland prosecutor go easy on Agnew? I don't know if the prosecution would be handled by the Maryland Attorney General's Office or by the District Attorney of Anne Arundel County, but either way given that Maryland was predominantly a Democrat state at this time, the odds are the prosecutor is going to be a Democrat. Why would a Democrat prosecutor go easy on a Republican president, who has committed blatant criminal activity and them abused his position to escape federal prosecution? There is no logical reason for the prosecutor to go easy on Agnew. From a political standpoint, prosecuting a criminal Republican ex-president is a huge boon for the Democrats. They want the '74 mid-terms to be about Agnew and a prosecution guarantees it will be. Likewise from a personal standpoint, the prosecutor who successfully prosecutes Agnew will be a national hero who will be able to pretty well write their own ticket going forward. (Successfully prosecuting Al Capone made Dwight Green Governor of Illinois, successfully prosecuting Lucky Luciano made Tom Dewey Governor of New York, and this case makes the Capone and Luciano cases look like jaywalking ticket trials.) And from an interest of justice standpoint, Agnew is guilty of real criminal offenses. This isn't some political witch hunt, Agnew is a blatant crook who deserves to be in prison. With politics, personal ambition, and justice all calling for throwing the book at Agnew, why would the Maryland prosecutors go easy on Agnew?
The only way I could see a prosecutor "going easy" on him is out of a desire to "reduce tension" and not make his crime a "partisan issue". If Agnew is prosecuted, we could see similar things being done against other officials in the future. Iran-Contra could mean Reagan or Bush impeachment- if they get in.
 
Only one problem with your scenario. He can't stroll across the lawn to Marine One. Impossible, never, not possible. 100% never in your scenario. Anyone want to tell Mad Bad Rabbit why?

OTL disgraced Presidrnt Nixon left the White House on Marine One. ITTL even more disgraced President Agnew likewise would leave on Marine One.
 
Same rules apply to US airforce aircraft- Airforce One is ONLY the designation of the airplane if the sitting US President is aboard, otherwise it is not Airforce One. Non-military aircraft carrying a sitting president are called Executive One for their call sign.

Like OTL Nixon, I assume ATL Agnew makes a televised speech the night before announcing his resignation effective at noon the following day. After brunch, he boards Marine One at 10 am, arriving at his residence in Baltimore before noon.
 
How are those situations analogous? The Republican base doesn't have the means to bring criminal charges against Boehner and McConnell. Maryland prosecutors do have the means to bring criminal charges against Agnew.

If he waits until October 24 to resign (and hasn't been impeached by then), the five year statute of limitations will have run out on the Maryland state charges. As President, he can't be indicted on state charges before that date, and he can write himself a going-away pardon for any Federal charges (tax-evasion,money laundering, RICO, etc.) and return to Maryland scott-free.
 

fred1451

Banned
How are those situations analogous? The Republican base doesn't have the means to bring criminal charges against Boehner and McConnell. Maryland prosecutors do have the means to bring criminal charges against Agnew.



Why exactly would any Maryland prosecutor go easy on Agnew? I don't know if the prosecution would be handled by the Maryland Attorney General's Office or by the District Attorney of Anne Arundel County, but either way given that Maryland was predominantly a Democrat state at this time, the odds are the prosecutor is going to be a Democrat. Why would a Democrat prosecutor go easy on a Republican president, who has committed blatant criminal activity and them abused his position to escape federal prosecution? There is no logical reason for the prosecutor to go easy on Agnew. From a political standpoint, prosecuting a criminal Republican ex-president is a huge boon for the Democrats. They want the '74 mid-terms to be about Agnew and a prosecution guarantees it will be. Likewise from a personal standpoint, the prosecutor who successfully prosecutes Agnew will be a national hero who will be able to pretty well write their own ticket going forward. (Successfully prosecuting Al Capone made Dwight Green Governor of Illinois, successfully prosecuting Lucky Luciano made Tom Dewey Governor of New York, and this case makes the Capone and Luciano cases look like jaywalking ticket trials.) And from an interest of justice standpoint, Agnew is guilty of real criminal offenses. This isn't some political witch hunt, Agnew is a blatant crook who deserves to be in prison. With politics, personal ambition, and justice all calling for throwing the book at Agnew, why would the Maryland prosecutors go easy on Agnew?
Except, when their guy gets caught with his hands in the cookie jar then all the hate and discontent rains down on him instead of it being swept under the rug with as little fuss and bother as possible. This way everyone stays happy.

Bill Clinton was not totally a witch hunt, he really did what he was accused of, or do you not understand that a No Contest plea means that the defendant while not admitting guilt agrees that the prosecution has the evidence to get a conviction? If you want to argue about whether the investigation should have started at all, I would largely put the blame there on Clinton's Bimbo Eruption Team, or David Brock. Once the info became public, it really could not have been ignored.

Putting Agnew in Jail does nothing for anyone, and at the same time not doing it allows brownie points to be accrued. What would Maryland get out of putting an ex-president into the pokey and at the same time pissing off a lot of Federal Republican politicians?

As far as outrage goes, what would the outrage of a bunch of state prosecutors matter to a bunch of Federal Congress people?
 
That's assuming that Agnew's corruption is ever discovered.

The investigation was on going. Agnew would try to stop but that only brings more attention and gets Congress involved. There is nothing in this time line that will stop the truth from coming out.
 

bguy

Donor
If he waits until October 24 to resign (and hasn't been impeached by then), the five year statute of limitations will have run out on the Maryland state charges. As President, he can't be indicted on state charges before that date, and he can write himself a going-away pardon for any Federal charges (tax-evasion,money laundering, RICO, etc.) and return to Maryland scott-free.

Well I don't know if it has ever been constitutionally determined that the president is exempt from state criminal prosecution. (Though if pressed I think the Supreme Court would probably rule that they are.)

How early did the case against Agnew come to light? Apparently the evidence against him was pretty overwhelming (one of the US attorneys involved in the investigation, a Republican, James Thompson, said he had never seen a stronger case of bribery and extortion), so maybe Congress can move fast enough to have Agnew impeached and removed from office before the October 24 deadline.

fred1451 said:
Except, when their guy gets caught with his hands in the cookie jar then all the hate and discontent rains down on him instead of it being swept under the rug with as little fuss and bother as possible. This way everyone stays happy.

By that logic no politician would ever get prosecuted. It's one thing to sweep a technical campaign violation or minor ethics offense under the rug. Most politicians are probably guilty of those, so they all have an incentive in having those type of offenses not be prosecuted. But Agnew went way beyond the minor offenses that all politicians commit level. He committed blatant, serious criminality well beyond what is acceptable under the unwritten rules of politics.

Putting Agnew in Jail does nothing for anyone, and at the same time not doing it allows brownie points to be accrued. What would Maryland get out of putting an ex-president into the pokey and at the same time pissing off a lot of Federal Republican politicians?

Brownie points??? The prosecutor who lets Agnew off the hook is done. He just whiffed on the most important criminal case of the century, despite having a slam dunk case. That's a career ending failure right there.

And why do you think any federal Republican politicians would retaliate over Agnew being prosecuted? Agnew effectively admitted he was guilty when he pardoned himself. Why is any Republican politician going to feel even slightly protective of an obvious criminal who probably has a national approval rating comparable to Charles Manson? Post-pardon Spiro Agnew seems a rather unlikely hill for any prominent Republican to die upon.

As far as outrage goes, what would the outrage of a bunch of state prosecutors matter to a bunch of Federal Congress people?

I don't understand your point here. What can Congress do to prevent a state prosecution? It's not as though Congress is going to declare the state of Maryland in insurrection and send in the 82nd Airborne to prevent the prosecution, so what does Congress have to do with whether or not Maryland officials take up the case?
 
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