WI: Rhodesia never became Zimbabwe?

Nice to see Africa being on the board again.

The Rhodesian economy was not dong great in the 1970's. First of all, SA support was going away, international markets being shut (or impacted by the oil crisis in the 70's), too many whites were called up and therefore not productive, etc.

The big diamong fields coming online now (and being mis-used by Mugabe anyway) would/could have made a tremendous impact in the 1970's. Same with the Platinum deposits. Even something as non-sexy as coal for that matter.

So, for Rhodesia to last longer, it is not just politics, it has to be combined with a real growth in living standards for all.

Ivan
 
I have just not been able to escape Rhodesia all day. Its been on the mind constantly.

Same, it's been on my mind for a while now, ever since I delved into the history.

I've read through forums of ex-Rhodesians from all over the world, and I've even found a cool documentary about the Rhodesian Air Force on YouTube.
 
With apologies (you'll see why) to those with connection to Rhodesia, I've been kicking around something a bit different about it lately. The general premise (and yes, there are big problems with it, but A) its a very rough idea I wouldn't be writing up yet but for this thread and B, I'll just say that the whole timeline is considerably more imperialistic on all sides post war) it's really a smallish part of a much bigger timeline) is that Pinochet is not deposed and Chile is rather successful as a socialist state, which leads to Argentina getting significant military support from the US as a regional counterbalance.

By the late 70s a US backed South Atlantic Treaty Organization dominated by South Africa and Argentina has been created, and while no in is entirely comfortable with it, especially as the truth about South African nuclear weapons emerges the project is still seen as militarily useful and a fait acompli in any case. South Africa, militarily stronger than OTL, and feeling it has outside support ends up backing Rhodesia after Mozambican independence, effectively creating a single Bush War encompassing most of southern Africa. The same pressures that created OTL's Falkland's war end in an early 80s Argentine invasion of Chile that becomes a long term conflict (have to play around with the details, thinking war of attrition, but don't have a decent handle on the details).

The end result (at least as it interests this thread) is a Rhodesia that is more or less incorporated into a strange Draka Lite entity (more a joke, and something that emphasizes the emphasis on all the worst bits of South Africa in the era than a serious recreation of Stirling's Draka) that is a nuclear armed alliance structure fighting various wars of aggression through most of the far southern hemisphere (excluding Australia obviously). I'm also not entirely sure where this goes, I see a prospect of international intervention, but also a lot of fear of going into a deeply unstable region that has a decent number of nukes floating around; again a lot depends on what happening in the rest of the world, a lot of which I have only vague ideas about as of yet.
 
@ TheMann: Interesting scenario there. SVP, continue.

I was envisioning with that scenario that 1982 would be the last election where Rhodesia used race-based voting, with a fairly similar constitution to South Africa being introduced in 1984-85, with a lower house chosen by majority vote and an upper house with both white and black representatives, as well as others as needed.
 
A while ago, Doug Muir and I kicked around a scenario in which a Rhodesian Front loss in the 1962 election resulted in a gradual transition to majority rule during the 1960s and 1970s. The thread's here, and with your indulgence, I'll repost some of my thoughts:

Consider three scenarios relating to the 1962 general election, which was the first to be held under the 1961 constitution. First, there's the one that the United Federal Party expected to happen: that they would sweep the 15 districts (which were dominated by B-roll electors) and, as the establishment party, also win a majority of the 50 constituency seats. This would enable them to outvote the Rhodesian Front regardless of what the black MPs did, and would allow them to look all liberal and multiculti while actually treating the black members much like Mapai treated its Arab affiliates during the 1950s and 1960s - an occasional bone, but no more.

The second scenario is what actually did happen. The UFP did nearly sweep the B-roll seats, but won only 15 of the constituencies dominated by A-roll electors, and as a result, the RF won an absolute majority of the parliament. Nearly half the UFP caucus was black, but because they were in opposition, the RF could safely ignore them.

But consider a third scenario. Let's say the UFP had won four more seats, for a total of 33. It would have a bare majority in parliament - or maybe a bit more than that, since Ahrn Palley (a liberal independent who took the fifteenth B-roll seat) would probably support the government - but it would need the black MPs to stay in power. Whitehead wouldn't be able to get by with throwing them a bone - he'd have to appoint a couple of black ministers, and give the black members a real say in government.

The big sin of Whitehead and the UDF in 1962 was complacency: they were the establishment party, and except in 1946, establishment parties always won big in Rhodesia. Although the black electoral roll had been expanded considerably, they didn't do anything to get out the black vote or combat the boycott that was urged by African nationalist groups. They also didn't try to co-opt Garfield Todd's biracial Central African Party, which was contesting a few of the constituencies.

Looking at the seat-by-seat results, though, there are a few seats that could easily have flipped if the UFP had tried harder. In Matobo, the RF won by only 670-636, which could have been reversed if the B-roll turnout had been even 20 rather than 10 percent. In Eastern, the vote was 786 to 661, with 20.3 percent of the 508 B-roll voters showing up; again, the UFP could have won if the B-roll turnout were slightly more than doubled. In Bulawayo District, the RF got 702 to 575 for the UFP and 104 for Benjamin Baron of the CAP; we can assume most of Baron's votes would have gone to the UFP if he'd stood down, and there were also many B-list voters unaccounted-for.

Those three seats would be enough (the UFP would have 32 of 65, but Ahrn Palley would support them), but a vigorous campaign might also flip Bulawayo North and Salisbury Central, where there weren't many B-roll voters but where the RF's majority was 67 and 49 votes respectively.

So let's say they do it. Whitehead gets a panic attack and decides to go all-in. He wages a concerted (albeit under-the-table) campaign to get out the black vote, telling them that they may not like him much, but if they boycott, they'll get Winston Field. He offers Garfield Todd some post-election policy concessions if Baron stands down, and barnstorms the hell out of the marginal seats. It works, and the election result is a mirror image of OTL: 35 for the UFP plus Palley, and 30 for the RF.

Now the UFP is still in power and has a big IOU to pay to the black voters. But this is where the wheels come off, because Whitehead's much more timorous than Todd, and if he does too much, he'll lose the white MPs in his own party. He does push through some incremental reforms, decreasing the qualifications for both the A and B rolls to the point where ~15 percent of the A roll is black. Maybe he also appoints a black MP to a cosmetic government position and increases the profile of Africans in the civil service. But nobody's satisfied - the reforms are too much for most whites and not nearly enough for the blacks.

Come 1966, the white opposition is energized and the blacks are disillusioned. This time the black voters don't listen when Whitehead urges them not to boycott. The 15 B-roll seats go to the Central African Party or to independent nationalist candidates rather than the UFP, and the establishment party suffers a wipeout in the A-roll seats: the increased black presence on the A-roll pushes a few marginal seats Whitehead's way, but not enough to keep the RF from winning 40 seats and taking a firm majority.

The RF then tries to negotiate with Britain and, after the talks break down, goes UDI. As in OTL, the UDI government retains the existing electoral rules, which in TTL include Whitehead's amendments. This doesn't stop the RF from continuing as the ruling party, but it has to fight for more seats rather than being overwhelmingly dominant as in OTL, and, due to the black voters, the republic referendum is narrowly defeated. This means that the 1961 constitution, as amended, remains the default rather than switching to de jure racial segregation under the OTL 1969 charter.

Now it's the 1970s, with the bush war in progress, the republic at a dead end, Rhodesia isolated, and the RF increasingly facing right-wing opposition (Lardner-Burke?) due to its failure to go hard apartheid. Ian Smith was a lot of things, but he wasn't a total fool, so I'm guessing he'd respond to the right-wing opposition by tacking to the center, which would provide a window to bring in Nkomo. Talks begin in 1973 or so, and in 1975, Smith cuts a deal with Nkomo for a 50-50 parliament and a unity cabinet, with a graduated transition to majority rule over the next decade.

Where does it go from there?
 
Wow!

Some really good inputs here. Some folks have really studied and researched the Rhodesian situation. Have learned a good bit. Thanks much! :)
 
Very interesting JE.

Another thing to consider would be how no 1962 UDI affects Britain. UDI was a huge political issue for the British government, as you would expect, and much time in the House was devoted to that, as well as time spent managing relations with the newly independent African nations (most of whom, from the British side, became independent after this POD). Without this being quite so fraught (no UDI would probably mean it could be brushed off as "internal affairs" a little easier) the British government

Some observers think that UDI contributed substantially to the 1966 election result mainly for impact on the Conservative Party.

Then, if the "crunch" time comes for Rhodesia in 1966, at this election date, I imagine we will have had time to see several rather awkward things happen in the newly independent states, like the first Ghanian coup (1966?). All which play to the Supremacist dialogue that they played up IOTL. Whether or not that helps/hinders domestically or internationally is uncertain
 
How would domestic US politics also cause a long-lasting Rhodesia? How about a different US president such as Barry Goldwater winning in 1964 or Reagan in 1976 (No Jimmy Carter means no Andrew Young, who is probably Mugabe's leading American supporter-apologist).
 
Having looked around a bit, former Cabinet Minister Richard Crossman (famous to politics and public law students forever in the case of Jonathan Cape) said that around the time of UDI PM Harold Wilson was devoting roughly 50% of his time to the issue of Rhodesia and Callaghan (chancellor?) one third of his time.

(R. H. S. Crossman, The Diaries of a Cabinet Minister. Volume 1: Minister of Housing, 1964-66 (London:
Hamish Hamilton and Jonathan Cape, 1975), p. 407)
 

IronOwl

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I can see Rhodesia lasting longer in several scenarios.

a) The Independence before Majority Rule scenario: There were a number of points where Britain looked pretty likely to grant Rhodesia full independence, even into the 1970's. If this had happened, Britain could hardly have levied sanctions immediately afterwards, giving the country more time to develop and grow stronger. The country would almost certainly gain international recognition from the U.S., as well as a number of other governments, most likely France, Australia and NZ. SA and Portugal obviously too.

b) Portugal retains Mozambique: If the Portuguese somehow hung on in Mozambique for a few more years, that might have given Rhodesia (and SA) time to strengthen it and help beat of the 'liberation forces'.

c) Saffers carry on supporting Rhodesia: If Smith isn't knifed by Vorster in the mid-seventies, this gives them the opportunity to and devastate the terrorist groups on the Rhodesia-Mozambique border.

d) The ASB scenario: A rather wacky plan to transport most of the Southern Rhodesian blacks to Northern Rhodesia, and the Northern Rhodesian Whites to the south, actually is implemented, leaving a white majority in the south.

Am not sure of the accuracy of these scenarios, but there just mild guesses ;)
 
I have just not been able to escape Rhodesia all day. Its been on the mind constantly.

I am not sure if this will help, but here is a nice photo

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Another thing to consider would be how no 1962 UDI affects Britain. UDI was a huge political issue for the British government, as you would expect, and much time in the House was devoted to that, as well as time spent managing relations with the newly independent African nations (most of whom, from the British side, became independent after this POD). Without this being quite so fraught (no UDI would probably mean it could be brushed off as "internal affairs" a little easier) the British government

Is that last sentence unfinished?

In any event, the British colonies in eastern and southern Africa were on a firm path to independence by 1962 (the colonies in western Africa were already independent, except for the Gambia) and I don't think a UFP victory in Rhodesia would derail this process. The wild cards would be Zambia and Malawi - maybe Britain might make a last attempt at saving the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland, but the federation was pretty much doomed by then and I believe that plans for its dissolution had already been drawn up.

I wouldn't venture to speculate about the effect on British domestic politics without Rhodesia as a preoccupation. Maybe, without UDI being seen as a policy failure, Labour would win bigger in 1966, only to be dragged down when TTL's Rhodesia crisis erupts later that year?

Then, if the "crunch" time comes for Rhodesia in 1966, at this election date, I imagine we will have had time to see several rather awkward things happen in the newly independent states, like the first Ghanian coup (1966?). All which play to the Supremacist dialogue that they played up IOTL. Whether or not that helps/hinders domestically or internationally is uncertain

In OTL, 1966 saw coups in Ghana and Nigeria, and Obote's auto-coup in Uganda. If the same things happen in TTL, then the Rhodesian Front would definitely argue that coups and civil disorder are a symptom of majority rule. This might contribute to their 1966 electoral victory, not that it would really be necessary after four years of a Whitehead government that satisfies nobody.

I actually wonder if a UFP government elected in 1962 would even last four years. Assuming the results I suggested above - a 34-seat UFP majority, with Palley supporting the government from outside because he dislikes Field and Smith more than Whitehead - the government could withstand a maximum of two defections. If three MPs cross the floor, then Field becomes prime minister. Whitehead would have to be very careful about surrendering white privilege lest he lose his party's right wing, and would probably have to beg and bribe his white MPs in order to pass even moderate reforms. At the same time, he'd have to hold his black MPs, and while crossing the floor isn't really an option for them, they could still bring down the government any time they want. I wonder if the election after 1962 might take place in '65 or even '64, with UDI happening not long after it did in OTL.
 
Love your scenario

THE MANN! You are the Man! I am crazy about your scenario...Though I wish Ian Smith had wised up earlier. From what little I have read, Nkomo could have been a help if he had not been arrested in the early 60's. Your scenario, starting with using the WW2 military to begin some type of integration, a level of mutual respect and a more educated and westernized Black African class is awesome. Rhodesia/Zimbabwe could really flourish as a bastion of true western ideals and robust free-enterprise....
Small tidbits...Alouette 3's were used mainly because they did better than other helo's because of the heat and altitude...this would be better until UH-1's could be imported after UK opening back up.
Again, I have recently been studying Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, and my thinking is in your vein...I think you could polish this into a fullfledged AH novel.
Grace To You,
Burtledog
 
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First off, start with a POD in South Africa. Have the UK accept Cape Colony's Molteno Unification plan. This would/could more or less butterfly away Apartheid South Africa.

Second, have the proposed merger between Northern and Southern Rhodesia progress a bit farther until southern Rhodesia says "screw that, white minority rule always", but in a way that will create spillage into Northern Rhodesia (where the whites were more open to majority rule) and South Africa (which by this point would be slowly but surely granting rights to blacks and "Coloureds"). The radical whites of Southern Rhodesia would (rightfully) be seen as the bad guys.

Third, have South Africa and Northern Rhodesia cooperate to bring down the crazies in Southern Rhodesia, and establish majority rule. The radical whites will still be a guerilla problem, but it would be manageable.

Now, while this isn't OTL Rhodesia per se, it's the closest I can think of for a Rhodesia of some kind to exist while butterflying away Zimbabwe/Mugabe.
 
But some of the ex-Rhodies seem to think that when Zimbabwe implodes, the whole country will erupt in chaos and civil war and mass killing, and they will be the saviors, yadda yadda yadda.

I wonder what the Boers feel. Obsessing endlessly about post-apartheid South Africa has long been a hobbyhorse of white nationalists. They're probably salivating at the chance of getting back, too.
 
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