WI: Real Islamofascism

Wolfpaw

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I wonder, what would be a litteral translation of this insult, 'akhund'? :D
It's not the word itself so much as how it's used. Normally, it's the title of a low-ranking cleric, but is insulting when applied to mullahs, ayatollahs, and other Islamic higher-ups. It'd sorta be like calling a priest or bishop "deacon."
 
Ah yes Wolfpaw, I see how now. I heard our cousins have had some similar slang terms for clergymen, insultively diminutive like 'moinillon'. Or the derisive use of 'curés' in post-quiet revolution.
 
Like calling the pope a jumped up vicar? :D

Thanks for your insight Wolfpaw - tell me, could you ellaborate more on an Islamomarxist Iran?
 
Like calling the pope a jumped up vicar? :D

Thanks for your insight Wolfpaw - tell me, could you ellaborate more on an Islamomarxist Iran?

Like calling bishops, priests, etc as all 'curés', with a mean tone, méprisant - I am not sure what is the english for that, it's not a priest but a rank lower, maybe... and the way it is used, it implies a countrysides style-like cleric, and all you can imagine.
 
Thanks Wolfpaw

This was a quite accurate description of the 2 terms.
I always thought Islamo-facist was a misnomer some strange term used in
the west particularly in the US.

Here the in the Middle east nobody really understand it
 
You know, I've sometimes wondered if a surviving Ottoman Empire would be a good brithplace for this. It'd be a valuable way to untie the Arabs and Turks....
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Social_Nationalist_Party
Not exactly fascism per se, more close to German Nazis, complete with swastika emblem and wild ideas of lebensraum.
Great find! They are secularist, but they do have the nationalism of fascism.
You know, I've sometimes wondered if a surviving Ottoman Empire would be a good brithplace for this. It'd be a valuable way to untie the Arabs and Turks....

I'm kind of inexperienced in Ottoman history, but that sounds like a very interesting thought.
 

Cook

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the Arab Socialists certainly took influence from European fascism...
and money, the early Syrian Ba’ath movement was heavily financed by Mussolini.

Mussolini also supported the Young Egypt Party and their Green Shirts, who were fascist (For those looking for it, here's your Islamic Fascist movement.) They were virulently nationalist and also espoused militant Islam; they cheered Mussolini as a killer of Coptic Christians when he invaded Abyssinia.

Mussolini wasn’t particularly fussy; he financed the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and Zionist organisations at the same time, anything to annoy the British.
 
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Would it be possible to evolve SUMKA so that it might qualify, perhaps coming to power as a result of an alternate Iranian revolution?
 
The fourth and most glaring difference between Islamists and neofundamentalists is the role of women. Islamists tend to favor the education of women and their participation in social and political life. Islamist women militate, study, have their own associations, and have the right to work (albeit in chador). Neofundamentalists...well, a quick glance at a burqa and female literacy/legal rights in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and (to a degree) Pakistan, paint a pretty good picture.
I guess this would mean Masoumeh Ebtekar's anti-Taliban speech for International Women's Day 1998 would be a great demonstration of the difference. Of course, the Western feminists -- largely unfamiliar with the Islamist/neofundamentalist distinction -- saw Ms Ebtekar's chador and thought "huh? How can she criticize the Taliban?"

Incidentally, does a similar distinction exist in politicized variants of other religions?
 
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