Actually Revenge fought at Jutland in the First Battle Squadron and Royal Oak was at Jutland in the Fourth Battle Squadron. Royal Sovereign would have if it hadn't been for machinery problems.Since the Rs that got to Jutland didn't actually achieve much I'm not sure its any problem?
It doesn't change anything regarding WNT/LNT so its not till the rebuilds in the 30s that anything changes at that point rebuilding is probably limited to 3 ships (+1 of R&R) due to needing to keep ships available and cost.
By WWII RN simply has more slightly more useful ships for at lest the first part of the war not sure what scenarios this actually helps, what battles did an R not keep up with the Italians or Germans that a QE could have?
In chronological order a Fifth Battle Squadron with 6 Queen Elisabeth class instead of 4 will change Jutland, but I don't know by how much.What if the Revenge class battleships where virtual repeats of QE's, same length and power plant and speed with improved armour as historical.
These ships would might have been modernized instead of QE's.
Royal Oak and Revenge serve with 5th battle squadron at Jutland.
Actually Revenge fought at Jutland in the First Battle Squadron and Royal Oak was at Jutland in the Fourth Battle Squadron. Royal Sovereign would have if it hadn't been for machinery problems.
However, I think it would not have made an difference to Jutland had they not been their due to the Grand Fleet "only" having 26 dreadnoughts instead of 28 and the Admiralty could have scraped together 2 dreadnoughts to take their places anyway.
OTOH what I think is that they would have been built in the same time as OTL and been assigned to the Fifth Battle Squadron with the other 4 Queen Elisabeth class battleships. That could make a lot of difference in the battlecruiser action.
Haven't the foggiest. It sounds plausible though because the destroyer flotillas were organised into 5 divisions of 4 ships with 4 divisions operational and the fifth refitting.Anyway wasn't The Grand Fleet was organised with 5 ships for every 4 ship Division on the principle that one of them would be unavailable as a matter of routine?
The two that spring to mind are Calabria and the Eastern Fleet of 1942 IOTL.By WWII RN simply has more slightly more useful ships for at lest the first part of the war not sure what scenarios this actually helps, what battles did an R not keep up with the Italians or Germans that a QE could have?
Unlikely for them to be scrapped.With 8 fast battleships what is the fate of the 3 Battlecruisers after the war are they still needed. All 3 Battlecruisers did valuable work in WWII and I dont think a QE or R could have done those jobs.
Unlikely for them to be scrapped.
The QE's and Alt R's are fast, but are to slow to keep up with the Japanese Kongo's and the planned Lexington and Amagi classes.
Jellicoe pushed for Hood to be completed.
However the R BC's may have been built as battleships in this TL...interesting
But all three are finished by 1920.I was thinking when Washington and budget cuts hit in the 1920s the RN mightstruggle to persuade the money people that they need 3 expensive BCs when they have 8 Rs and QEs.
Since the Rs that got to Jutland didn't actually achieve much I'm not sure its any problem?
It doesn't change anything regarding WNT/LNT so its not till the rebuilds in the 30s that anything changes at that point rebuilding is probably limited to 3 ships (+1 of R&R) due to needing to keep ships available and cost.
By WWII RN simply has more slightly more useful ships for at lest the first part of the war not sure what scenarios this actually helps, what battles did an R not keep up with the Italians or Germans that a QE could have?
Ok, I can see the extra 9 QEs being planned but there is one large problem with how you see things developing. Jackie Fisher. He wants Battlecruisers and if he's reinstated as First Sea Lord he's going to get them. Your 2 war emergency ships will be built as BCs along the lines of Repulse and Renown. He's also going to push his fixation on a Baltic landing so unless stopped the tin clads are still likely to be ordered, though hopefully can be delayed long enough they can be canceled when he's sacked. That leaves the problem of carriers without Furious to convert. I see Argus being ordered earlier and possibly Hermes and Eagle as well.
- 1912-13 Estimates 5 Queen Elizabeth class Mk 1 as OTL
- 1913-14 Estimates 5 Queen Elisabeth class Mk 2 with the improvements outlined in the OP
- 1914-15 Estimates 4 Queen Elisabeth class Mk 3 with further detail improvements
- War Emergency Programme 2 Queen Elisabeth Mk 3 to replace expected war losses and to have 2 full battle squadrons of 15" gunned battleships.