WI: Protestant Russia

It's unlikely, but I don't see why its ASB for the spirit of the reformation to spread to protest against another church, in the same way as the spirit of the American Revolution against Westminster spread to France against absolute monarchy.
Basically because France and USA were far more close both culturally and economically than France and Russia?
 
Basically because France and USA were far more close both culturally and economically than France and Russia?

That makes it less likely, it doesn't make it ASB. If you got some Russian intellectual travelling in Germany, he could go back to Moscow and be a Russian Calvin, adapting the criticisms to the Orthodox church.
 
That makes it less likely, it doesn't make it ASB. If you got some Russian intellectual travelling in Germany, he could go back to Moscow and be a Russian Calvin, adapting the criticisms to the Orthodox church.
You could have everything, even a spanish reformation leader or a Catholic Aztec without ASB.
But a Russian intellectual would have so very few odds to have followers basing on a german (aka western and catholic based) reformation that is very close to ASB.
The most plausible thing with the reformation in Russia is the influence of protestantism that make orthodoxy slightly mutating. You have the exemple of the Patriarchate Lukaris, who tried to make an inner reformation influenced by calvinism. He had even send student in Switzerland.

But orthodox and catholic world, if not very different regarding the beliefs, was on differents planets regarding contacts outside elites. A calvinist preacher, wanting to convert russians would have no sucess at all.
 
I shall note that in a related way right now, there is apparently a growing hostility of the orthodox clergy toward the growing protestantism, if I heard well...
 
But a Russian intellectual would have so very few odds to have followers basing on a german (aka western and catholic based) reformation that is very close to ASB.

It could be very tailored to the local context.

But orthodox and catholic world, if not very different regarding the beliefs, was on differents planets regarding contacts outside elites. A calvinist preacher, wanting to convert russians would have no sucess at all.

What's the argument behind Western Christians lay people being so much more open to a new branch of Christianity than Eastern Christians? So far no one has justified it with reasons and evidence.
 
It could be very tailored to the local context.
It wouldn't be OTL Protestantism but reformed orthodoxy. The cultural differences are just too important to make it exported even with variations.

What's the argument behind Western Christians lay people being so much more open to a new branch of Christianity than Eastern Christians? So far no one has justified it with reasons and evidence.
You're misinterpeting my thought. Protestantism is a catholic-based new branch, culturally and politically. Orthodoxism can reform itself if the situation exists (as a revival of egean trade by exemple, with emergence of a more powerful urban bourgeoisie) but in its own grounds.
I don't think i ever say that eastern christianism couldn't ever reform itself or gave birth to a new branch (OTL would have corrected me anyway : Uniats are a rather good exemple)

What about the exemple i gave you? So far i've only found that as an exemple of how western protestantism could have influenced orthodoxy. One of the students send by Lukaris could have played a role after the death of Patriarche.
 
It wouldn't be OTL Protestantism but reformed orthodoxy. The cultural differences are just too important to make it exported even with variations.

I think then, that our disagreement is down to definitions more than anything else. I was generally meaning it as a reformed protest church against the primary church, which you seem to accept as more possible also. For me "protestantism" is more a broad grouping of dissident churches than depending on definitional differences.

If we go on doctrine, I think we need to go point by point. What aspects of Orthodoxy mean that it isn't possible for dissidents to argue for each of the following:

- priesthood of all believers
- grace through faith alone
- Biblical supremacy
 
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