WI: Prince Alphonso of England survives, marries Margaret of Holland?

As the tin says, what if Edward I’s son, Alphonso, survives and weds Margaret of Holland? To make things more interesting with if her brother still dies as in OTL but she survives and produces offspring with Alphonso. Does England inherit Holland and have renewed continental ambitions in the Low Countries?
 
As the tin says, what if Edward I’s son, Alphonso, survives and weds Margaret of Holland? To make things more interesting with if her brother still dies as in OTL but she survives and produces offspring with Alphonso. Does England inherit Holland and have renewed continental ambitions in the Low Countries?

England doesn't just inherit Holland, it inherits the Hollander/Dutch(?) claim to Scotland as well. Could make for fun times.
 
I’d a,so imagine this worsen relations between England and France, as the French might get the feeling they’re being encircled
 
I wonder would Holland's claim on Zeeland cause a conflict between Flanders and England? Basicly that might be the most interesting that could happen in this case. A minor, rather unimportant and not terribly rich part of the HRE being ruled by England does not seem that important. I doubt it would mean that England (well the English royal family at least) will focus more on te low countries. The French posessions are way, way more important (and rich).
 
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If Alphonso becomes king of England, would that mean that Alphonso would also be a common English name, like how Edward become very common after the three Edwards, and George after the four Georges? Or like in France, Philippe after Philippe I?
 
I’d a,so imagine this worsen relations between England and France, as the French might get the feeling they’re being encircled

With an England-Holland PU, given the ties of the county to he Hainaut, the Counts of Flanders would have no choice but to accept the french "help".
 
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If Alphonso becomes king of England, would that mean that Alphonso would also be a common English name, like how Edward become very common after the three Edwards, and George after the four Georges? Or like in France, Philippe after Philippe I?

George was reasonably common in England thanks to King Edward (I/III?) choosing him as England's patron saint. But it stands to reason that we might see more than one king Alphonso. In fact, off-hand, since the conquest I can't think of a king's name that only got one useage (well maybe Stephen or Louis, if you count those)
 
George was reasonably common in England thanks to King Edward (I/III?) choosing him as England's patron saint. But it stands to reason that we might see more than one king Alphonso. In fact, off-hand, since the conquest I can't think of a king's name that only got one useage (well maybe Stephen or Louis, if you count those)

Yes, but I've read that the Hanoverians made George a very very common English name, on par with John, Henry, Edward, etc. Before the Hanoverians, George was on a secondary tier common name, if you know what I mean, common, but not that common.

So, would Alphonse, if there was a string of Alphonse of king Alphonso, be as common as John, Henry, etc? And what would happen to the name of 'Edward'? Would it still become a common english name if Alphonso became king instead of Edward II?
 
Yes, but I've read that the Hanoverians made George a very very common English name, on par with John, Henry, Edward, etc. Before the Hanoverians, George was on a secondary tier common name, if you know what I mean, common, but not that common.

So, would Alphonse, if there was a string of Alphonse of king Alphonso, be as common as John, Henry, etc? And what would happen to the name of 'Edward'? Would it still become a common english name if Alphonso became king instead of Edward II?
Depends on how good a king Alphonso is
 
Yes, but I've read that the Hanoverians made George a very very common English name, on par with John, Henry, Edward, etc. Before the Hanoverians, George was on a secondary tier common name, if you know what I mean, common, but not that common.

So, would Alphonse, if there was a string of Alphonse of king Alphonso, be as common as John, Henry, etc? And what would happen to the name of 'Edward'? Would it still become a common english name if Alphonso became king instead of Edward II?

We might see an alternation in a very boring fashion (a la Denmark, for instance) of Edward I, Alphonse I, Edward II, Alphonse II, ad nauseam.
I saw a TL on another site where Richard, duke of York (Edward IV's father) becomes king, and until the 18th century (where the TL petered out), England went Richard, Edward, Richard again
 
Yes, but I've read that the Hanoverians made George a very very common English name, on par with John, Henry, Edward, etc. Before the Hanoverians, George was on a secondary tier common name, if you know what I mean, common, but not that common.

So, would Alphonse, if there was a string of Alphonse of king Alphonso, be as common as John, Henry, etc? And what would happen to the name of 'Edward'? Would it still become a common english name if Alphonso became king instead of Edward II?

i believe Edward was one of the few anglo-saxon names that never really went out of use after the Norman conquest. even if edward II didn't inherit the throne, i don't think it would have a major effect on its popularity.
 
England doesn't just inherit Holland, it inherits the Hollander/Dutch(?) claim to Scotland as well. Could make for fun times.
Not yet though as Floris still lives. Would Edward junior (the 2nd son) still be offered as consort to Margaret of Norway too? It would allay fears of English rule.
Would certainly make the Great Cause more interesting but might not change anything.
 
Not yet though as Floris still lives. Would Edward junior (the 2nd son) still be offered as consort to Margaret of Norway too? It would allay fears of English rule.
Would certainly make the Great Cause more interesting but might not change anything.
I think Edward the younger definitelymwould be offered to the maid of norway
 
Thinking on things, assuming Margaret dies as OTL and the Great Cause resumes, how does a successful betrothal/marriage of Floris's daughter to Edward's son impact it?
Floris was allied to Robert de Brus and appears to be after partition of the inheritance rather than the crown whole.
 
I wonder would Holland's claim on Zeeland cause a conflict between Flanders and England? Basicly that might be the most interesting that could happen in this case. A minor, rather unimportant and not terribly rich part of the HRE being ruled by England does not seem that important. I doubt it would mean that England (well the English royal family at least) will focus more on te low countries. The French posessions are way, way more important (and rich).

Unless they want to acquire the rich areas to the south of it but that would put them at odds with France.
 
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