WI President Truman dismisses Hoover?

How about in 1945 within the first three months of winning WWII. ;)
No Hoover was appointed by the President and if he did do bad things why did they keep appointing him? Remember, how ironic it was Truman, "The Buck Stops Here". That would gain a mass of sympathy.
 
No Hoover was appointed by the President and if he did do bad things why did they keep appointing him? Remember, how ironic it was Truman, "The Buck Stops Here". That would gain a mass of sympathy.
Hoover had dirt on everyone, including the presidents. The only way to remove Hoover is to get dirt on him and hope he doesn't take you down with him.
 
Really couldn't dismiss or arrest him as he had too much Washington clout. Moving him was the only viable option and he, (according to plans drawn up with Dewey) preferred to take a Supreme Court Justice position and have his second take over the FBI. Which makes sense as it gives him an 'official' life-time position to 'adjust' American law as he saw fit and still effectively run the FBI at the same time. He never seemed to care about organized crime and was always more politically motivated which was a detriment to the FBI I think.

In either case he'd fight and fight dirty to remain as head of the FBI if he didn't get what he wanted and from what I can tell he was confident enough he feared no President.

Randy
 
He would go away if he was given something else. Dewey was going to put Hoover on the Supreme Court. An ambassadorship, he really wanted,

Really couldn't dismiss or arrest him as he had too much Washington clout. Moving him was the only viable option and he, (according to plans drawn up with Dewey) preferred to take a Supreme Court Justice position and have his second take over the FBI. Which makes sense as it gives him an 'official' life-time position to 'adjust' American law as he saw fit and still effectively run the FBI at the same time. He never seemed to care about organized crime and was always more politically motivated which was a detriment to the FBI I think.

How would Hoover influe on the SCOTUS jurispridence on civil rights and criminal law?

The earliest opening is Frank Murphy dying on 1949; Hoover could take his place instead of Tom C. Clark, who seemed to be a moderate, favorable to civil rights, moderate on criminal law and deferent to the government over the anti-subversion laws enacted during the 1950s.
 
Name him ambassador to Turkey. He'll get to continue playing his little secret police spiel, and have an adversary to measure in the form of the NKVD.
 
Rumor is I don't know why, if he couldn't get on the court, he wanted an ambassadorship to New Zealand.

Interesting if true as it would literally put him a world away from America, American politics and influence....

Name him ambassador to Turkey. He'll get to continue playing his little secret police spiel, and have an adversary to measure in the form of the NKVD.

And access to the CIA organization, ugh, there's a thought...

Randy
 
How would Hoover influe on the SCOTUS jurispridence on civil rights and criminal law?

Badly? :) Or at least he'd probably try as much as possible. I realize he's only one justice but given his power-politics-personality historically I suspect he'd use and abuse both his SCOTUS position and all his other resources to undermine what he saw as the erosion of the American "system" by "Communist, fellow-travelers, and subversive element" represented by the Civil Rights movement. He actually didn't seem to care overmuch about crime, organized or otherwise unless he was forced to do so. He seems to have seen the FBI as the lead element to keeping America, (and by default American's) on the "right" track by whatever means necessary.

The earliest opening is Frank Murphy dying on 1949; Hoover could take his place instead of Tom C. Clark, who seemed to be a moderate, favorable to civil rights, moderate on criminal law and deferent to the government over the anti-subversion laws enacted during the 1950s.

Hoover on the other hand saw the Civil Rights movement as subversive and dangerous and favored stricter controls over how openly the government could be criticized or questioned. Again only "one" among "peers" but that never seemed to slow him down...

Randy
 
Hoover despite his old views, had a personal relationship with less direct civil rights leaders like Walter white, and a Philip Randolph. Juan Williams even claimed thurgood Marshall formed a partnership with Hoover against communism.
 
How many people would say those are wrong to do? If after China goes communist, it's Truman politicizing the FBI by firing the one man against communism. If before that, Republicans will hammer him. They opposed his legislation 100%, and Hoover had a great PR machine. He got away with calling an old lady "a hardened criminal." The U.S. interned Japanese Americans just a few years before, the supreme court hasn't ruled in favor of a right to an attorney, need for warrants, Miranda rights. You are looking at it from 2017. Then? It would only matter if he was doing any of that to the right sort of WASP, and not immigrants/left/etc. That's the issue, most people would view it as an attack on the G-men, and not as advancing civil rights.
The irony is Hoover opposed the internment of the Japanese. Arresting a victim is wrong and stupid
 
He would go away if he was given something else. Dewey was going to put Hoover on the Supreme Court. An ambassadorship, he really wanted,

I'm afraid old Jay Edgar didn't want any other job than the one he had. I can say
this with confidence because IOTL LBJ did
try to fire Hoover. But he found it just too
difficult & backed off. Now LBJ was a master
horse trader, which of course involves you
giving the other guy what he wants in ex-
change for him giving you what YOU want.
If Johnson couldn't find something- anything
- else to give Hoover, than it just wasn't there. (Incidentally, he justified keeping
Hoover with this priceless statement: "Well,
it's probably better to have him inside the
tent pissing out, than outside pissing in.")
(Quoted in David Halberstam, THE BEST
AND THE BRIGHTEST, 1972, p. 529 in the
Fawcett Crest edition)
 
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I'm afraid old Jay Edgar didn't want any other job than the one he had. I can say
this with confidence because IOTL LBJ did
try to fire Hoover. But he found it just too
difficult & backed off. Now LBJ was a master
horse trader, which of course involves you
giving the other guy what he wants in ex-
change for him giving you what YOU want.
If Johnson couldn't find something- anything
- else to give Hoover, than it just wasn't there. (Incidentally, he justified keeping
Hoover with this priceless statement: "Well,
it's probably better to have him inside the
tent pissing out, than outside pissing in.")
(Quoted in David Halberstam, THE BEST
AND THE BRIGHTEST, 1972, p. 529 in the
Fawcett Crest edition)
By that time yes. 15 years earlier, Hoover might have been open
 
I suspect that, by that time, the only way to retire or transfer him is to a private plot, about 3' by 6'. It would be the last of his many plots; at least this one is legal...
 
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