WI: Portuguese-Ethiopian Alliance?

Are you going to elaborate on said knowledge or are you just being a wiseass?
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I don't need to elaborate, Torbald already did that. I was merely recognizing his knowledge on Portuguese history.

Also, do you usually just go around making false assumptions and insulting people in this forum? You had no reason to do that.
 
I feel like another religious route that you could go on is to have an Iberian, Oriental Orthodox-influenced Protestantism emerge. Have the Ethiopic Broader Canon make it's way to Europe, which then mixes with nascent Protestant ideas in the area to create a new branch of the Protestant movement? Maybe even have it be Unitarian if you can get Severtus from getting glocked by Calvin?

Also, there is literally 0 reason to start insulting each other over a minor historical fact.
 
I don't need to elaborate, Torbald already did that. I was merely recognizing his knowledge on Portuguese history.

Also, do you usually just go around making false assumptions and insulting people in this forum? You had no reason to do that.
It's that when you said: "Oh nothing, it's just that it's the sort of detail that only someone with a respectable amount of historic knowledge, in this case Portuguese history, would know."

It sounded like you were being a bit mocking. I aplogize for the miscommunication
 
I feel like another religious route that you could go on is to have an Iberian, Oriental Orthodox-influenced Protestantism emerge. Have the Ethiopic Broader Canon make it's way to Europe, which then mixes with nascent Protestant ideas in the area to create a new branch of the Protestant movement? Maybe even have it be Unitarian if you can get Severtus from getting glocked by Calvin?
So have Portuguese and/or Spanish diplomats in Ethiopia convert and bring home Oriental Orthodoxy?

What else would you recommend?
 
So have Portuguese and/or Spanish diplomats in Ethiopia convert and bring home Oriental Orthodoxy?

What else would you recommend?
The issue with converting is that the Inquisiton is gonna be like "WTF no." You're gonna need to break the power of the Spanish Inquisition first, and a good way to do that is to have the counterreformation spectacularly fail and have a form of "Protestantism" get started in Iberia. That way, there's a middle step before Oriental Orthodoxy. Remember, "Protestantism" is a huge label, and can mean a ton of different things, depending.
 
The issue with converting is that the Inquisiton is gonna be like "WTF no." You're gonna need to break the power of the Spanish Inquisition first, and a good way to do that is to have the counterreformation spectacularly fail and have a form of "Protestantism" get started in Iberia. That way, there's a middle step before Oriental Orthodoxy. Remember, "Protestantism" is a huge label, and can mean a ton of different things, depending.
Anything else?
 
Anything else?
I mean, you could always have something like a resurgent Moroccan state in the early 1500's, bolstered by emigres from Andalusia and the collapsing Mali empire, invades Spain and Portugal to try to corner trade of all the mysterious new goods coming on Spanish and Portuguese galleons, but that could lead to a ton of other butterflies.
 
I mean, you could always have something like a resurgent Moroccan state in the early 1500's, bolstered by emigres from Andalusia and the collapsing Mali empire, invades Spain and Portugal to try to corner trade of all the mysterious new goods coming on Spanish and Portuguese galleons, but that could lead to a ton of other butterflies.
Let's say an Ethiopian-Portuguese alliance is established - what do you think could happen?
 
Let's say an Ethiopian-Portuguese alliance is established - what do you think could happen?
Ethiopia and Portugal end up making moves against the Somali states, with Portugal taking certain port cities like Mongdaishu. Ethiopia, if it gains what is today the Somaliland region, could potentially develop it's naval force, but considering iirc Ethiopia has never really had a major naval force, it would have to be relient on European aid. While Portugal would probably be like "haha no" for a good while, since it doesn't want competition in the Indian ocean, as the Dutch/English/French/Spanish/Scottish/Genovese/Omani/etc make their way more into the region, Portugal may be more willing to bolster Ethiopia's naval tradition.

In any case. Ethiopia is gonna be probably more focused on Nubia than anything, since either the Mamluks or the Ottomans are going to be expanding in the area.
 
Ethiopia and Portugal end up making moves against the Somali states, with Portugal taking certain port cities like Mongdaishu. Ethiopia, if it gains what is today the Somaliland region, could potentially develop it's naval force, but considering iirc Ethiopia has never really had a major naval force, it would have to be relient on European aid. While Portugal would probably be like "haha no" for a good while, since it doesn't want competition in the Indian ocean, as the Dutch/English/French/Spanish/Scottish/Genovese/Omani/etc make their way more into the region, Portugal may be more willing to bolster Ethiopia's naval tradition.

In any case. Ethiopia is gonna be probably more focused on Nubia than anything, since either the Mamluks or the Ottomans are going to be expanding in the area.
I'm thinking Portugal would use Ethiopia as a proxy against the expansion of Ottoman and/or Islamic influence throughout the Horn of Africa, supporting Ethiopia in capturing Eritrea and maybe even Yemen of which the latter provides the Portuguese-Ethiopian alliance with a foothold in the Middle East against the Ottomans. Could Ethiopian expansion see the establishment of Ethiopia's current-day borders?
 

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What we need is two major POD. Stop the Portuguese from being forced by Spain to expel the Jews. That fuck us up badly and strengthened both the Futch and ottoman empires.

Secound don’t have our king and most of nobility destroyed in Morocco.

Now that we have those two major issues resolved the Portuguese could of had a better tolerance for non Catholics Christians who could assist in their struggle against the Muslims.

With those POD Spain is weaker and we are never part of the Iberian union which means our navy does not get destroyed along with Spanish Armada. We are stronger to both deal with Dutch (who would be weaker) and English competition we do not have to give them both tangiers and Bombay as dowry.

I see the alliance helping both countries. The Ethiopians can provide the Portuguese with considerable manpower that could of been used to capture Aden. With Aden captured the Portuguese could of helped Ethiopia capture all of southern Red Sea coast including most of Somalia.
 
I see the alliance helping both countries. The Ethiopians can provide the Portuguese with considerable manpower that could of been used to capture Aden. With Aden captured the Portuguese could of helped Ethiopia capture all of southern Red Sea coast including most of Somalia.
How much could a Portuguese-Ethiopian alliance weaken the Ottomans and Islamic influence in the Horn of Africa?
 

Lusitania

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How much could a Portuguese-Ethiopian alliance weaken the Ottomans and Islamic influence in the Horn of Africa?

The Portuguese could of used the Ethiopian man power to strengthen their control of Oman and then Yemen. While Ethiopia could of been provided with weapons and allowed to reach Kenya to south and into southern Sudan to north. With the Portuguese control of major trading posts. The Ethiopians troops could of also been used to extend Portuguese control of India and east Asia.

Could the Portuguese and Ethiopia controlled the Indian Ocean probably till 1600. Muslim influence would of been reduced. Ethiopians missionaries could of moved into new areas and even south into Uganda and Kenya.

All the horn of Africa coast could of been under the Ethiopians control and if they wanted both limit Muslim power and send their missionaries into the same region.
 
Let's say an Ethiopian-Portuguese alliance is established - what do you think could happen?
Depends when exactly of course, but there's a good chance they'd try to move North and take Egypt with a dual assault.
It was the core of the strategy of the king Manuel to take back Jerusalem from the muslims. It was a very crusader oriented mindset
 
Depends when exactly of course, but there's a good chance they'd try to move North and take Egypt with a dual assault.
It was the core of the strategy of the king Manuel to take back Jerusalem from the muslims. It was a very crusader oriented mindset
I was thinking in 1520-21 where Emperor Dawit II proposes the creation of a Portuguese-Ethiopian alliance against Islamic expansion, receiving Portuguese advisors and material support to strengthen the Ethiopian Army. I don't think Ethiopia would be powerful enough to actually push against the Ottomans in Egypt and Sudan but it could be a gradual process that starts with the spread of Christianity throughout Somalia and the annexation of Yemen or Oman.
 
I was thinking in 1520-21 where Emperor Dawit II proposes the creation of a Portuguese-Ethiopian alliance against Islamic expansion, receiving Portuguese advisors and material support to strengthen the Ethiopian Army. I don't think Ethiopia would be powerful enough to actually push against the Ottomans in Egypt and Sudan but it could be a gradual process that starts with the spread of Christianity throughout Somalia and the annexation of Yemen or Oman.
Maybe not Egypt directly but Yemen could be secured. There could also be a frontal assault on Cairo when the Ethiopian attack the South.
The goal is to block the Red Sea and strangle any Muslim power in Egypt so you don't need to take everything but to create enough disruption so trade becomes unprofitable. Once this is achieved and the state is starving of funds, you jump and retake the holy land
 
Maybe not Egypt directly but Yemen could be secured. There could also be a frontal assault on Cairo when the Ethiopian attack the South.
The goal is to block the Red Sea and strangle any Muslim power in Egypt so you don't need to take everything but to create enough disruption so trade becomes unprofitable. Once this is achieved and the state is starving of funds, you jump and retake the holy land
Perhaps a Coptic puppet state is established in Nubia and/or Egypt as buffer states?
 
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