WI Polish King Also tzar of Russia

There's also a weird What if about Ivan IV marrying Elizabeth I? I'm actually researching a lot on which Russian PoD I should use for a planned rewrite of The Bear Migrates to the Pacific. Maybe I ought to give that a link as well. https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=216075

Ivan plus Elizabeth is either totally awesome, or darkly tragic even by Russian standards.

Will give that link a look.

So many interesting possibilities for a different Russia, so little time.
 
Ivan plus Elizabeth is either totally awesome, or darkly tragic even by Russian standards.

Will give that link a look.

So many interesting possibilities for a different Russia, so little time.

Darkly tragic, if Elizabeth's personality and Ivan's insanity clashes. There was one guy who said, and I quote, "If Ivan married Elizabeth I, he might end up becoming Ivan the Terrified instead of Ivan the Terrible."
 
Darkly tragic, if Elizabeth's personality and Ivan's insanity clashes. There was one guy who said, and I quote, "If Ivan married Elizabeth I, he might end up becoming Ivan the Terrified instead of Ivan the Terrible."

:D

Although given how Ivan acted to people he saw as threatening, that might be more :(

Ivan is a depressing figure.
 
There was a website where Elena Glinskaya successfully discredits the Shuiskys after learning of their role in her husband's murder. So what if Elena lived long enough to raise Ivan IV and Yuri of Uglich? I'm guessing that with Elena around, Ivan's behavior could potentially change.
 
There was a website where Elena Glinskaya successfully discredits the Shuiskys after learning of their role in her husband's murder. So what if Elena lived long enough to raise Ivan IV and Yuri of Uglich? I'm guessing that with Elena around, Ivan's behavior could potentially change.

One would hope.
 
Yeah, in the discussion thread I've set up, I am trying to decide which PoD would work best, since the ultmate goal of the rewritten The Bear Migrates to the Pacific is total Russian colonial occupation of the Philippines. Also, how do you make a poll in the thread?
 
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