WI : Philip the Handsome lives longer

[Yorel]

What would have happen if Philip the Handsome hadn't contracted typhoid and died in 1506? What would have been the consequences?

Could we see a civil war between Philip and his stepfather, Ferdinand the Catholic, because of their struggle of power in Spain?

Would Philip be elected Holy Roman Emperor when his father Maximilian I dies?

Could he have more children with Joanna the Mad? I believe so since he was only 28 when he died, and his last children was apparently posthumous.
If so, what would have been the consequences if Philip and Joanna had a third son after Charles V and Ferdinand? Could we see Philip give Spain to Charles, Austria to Ferdinand and the Netherlands to his third son?

 

[Yorel]

No one interested?

 

[The Professor]

Hmmm, a longer living Philip would definitely mean war between Aragon and Castile (to early to call it a civil war yet ).

A lot depends on who wins or even if there is a draw.

Assuming neither Ferdinand nor Philip are killed or captured we could see an agreement for Philip's son Charles to inherit Aragon on the death of Ferdinand.

A longer living Philip may also change Charles. Due to his father's early death Charles was brought up in the Netherlands and never felt at home in Spain. With Philip living a decade longer Charles may be brought up in Castile. This would favour a third son (Maximilian?) gaining the Netherlands as his inheritance.

Philip would likely be elected HRE on his father's death. However, Charles may not - if he is more Castilian/Spanish in TTL would the Electors want him? They may pressure an earlier division of the inheritance so that Charles is skipped in favour of Ferdinand or even *Maximilian.

A 3way division of the Habsburgs could also reassure France's fears of encirclement. Plus there are possibilities for the "ArchDuke of the Netherlands" to become Protestant (somebody wrote a TL on this but the search function is playing up for me).

 

[Janprimus]

Hmmm, a longer living Philip would definitely mean war between Aragon and Castile (to early to call it a civil war yet ).

A lot depends on who wins or even if there is a draw.

Assuming neither Ferdinand nor Philip are killed or captured we could see an agreement for Philip's son Charles to inherit Aragon on the death of Ferdinand.

A longer living Philip may also change Charles. Due to his father's early death Charles was brought up in the Netherlands and never felt at home in Spain. With Philip living a decade longer Charles may be brought up in Castile. This would favour a third son (Maximilian?) gaining the Netherlands as his inheritance.

Philip would likely be elected HRE on his father's death. However, Charles may not - if he is more Castilian/Spanish in TTL would the Electors want him? They may pressure an earlier division of the inheritance so that Charles is skipped in favour of Ferdinand or even *Maximilian.

A 3way division of the Habsburgs could also reassure France's fears of encirclement. Plus there are possibilities for the "ArchDuke of the Netherlands" to become Protestant (somebody wrote a TL on this but the search function is playing up for me).

IMHO it would definitely be a cold war between the two rulers, but it may very well stay like this and won't turn in a war between their domains.

Furthermore not only would Philip be alive, but the head of house of Habsburg emperor Maximilian is alive too, so I could see a role for him too in any negotiation between Ferdinand and Philip, especially if it concerns the future of his grandsons and his house.

Charles spend his earliest years in the Burgundian Habsburg Netherlands, if he moves to Castille soon he might face some of the problems his son Philip II had in the Burgundian Habsburg Netherlands. (One could say that, the father Charles (V) was too Dutch for 'Spain' and the son Philip (II) was too Spanish for the Netherlands.)

However even with a third son, I don't see a reason to divide the Habsburg possessions any further. Especially from the POV of the Habsburgs, they gained a powerful position only to divide it so soon? Maybe a longer living Philip has to make a concession to Ferdinand of Aragon that his second son Ferdinand of Habsburg becomes his heir in Castille and Aragon, in which case Charles would get Austria, 'Burgundy' and the Habsburg Netherlands (basically everything which isn't inherited from the Trastamaras). Any third son either has a career in the church or is viceroy/governor general (with an appanage) for one of his elder brothers or they find him an heiress.
IMO a two way division might turn out to be most practical, however the 'imperial' Austro-Burgundian branch will still want to regain Bohemia and Hungary (-Croatia) for their branch of the house of Habsburg.

Finally France felt encircled, but the Habsburgs also didn't trust France; this encircling alliance started to counter the French threat, but due to dynastic developments ended up in one hand. So the encirclement was intentional, but that all these territories ended up in the hands of one ruler certainly wasn't.