WI: permanent Norse settlement in New Foundland?

as I've said before on threads like these, Newfoundland could have been colonized by the Norse, but it would take more than a handful of people from Greenland. It would require a lot of ships, men, women, livestock and grain, tools, forge equipment, soldiers, etc etc... basically, a complete settlement kit. Basically, royal backing. The big stumbling block is 'why would anyone do that?'...
 
What is their to trade for? Furs? Those can be gotten for much cheaper in Lappland and Ruthenia.
The most likely resource(s) that would draw them to establish a permanent Vinland colony would probably be the same resources which dominated early New England trade: cod (and to a lesser extent, possibly, timber).

RE: OP, There are several large hurdles which need to be overcome to make a permanent Vinland colony:
  • Getting enough colonists over for a sustainable population (which can withstand pressures from the, at the time, numerous natives)
  • Allowing colonists from ethnically diverse (non-Norse) origins (again, helps grow and stabilize the population and provides incentive for other European nations to pay attention to the New World so that if one nation collapses the colony(-ies) may receive support from others)
  • Surviving Christianization
  • Making life there profitable enough for continued support and contact from Europe through the "Little Ice Age"
  • Withstanding the Black Death even with continued European contact
  • Probably a few others I am missing off the top of my head
Now, since the question seems to be more about what impact a permanent Norse colony on the N.American Continent would have, rather than how it could happen, I would like to consider what N.America and Europe would like but really it all depends on the "how" so I really can't even fathom what would happen. Give us solutions and we can work from there. :)
 
The most likely resource(s) that would draw them to establish a permanent Vinland colony would probably be the same resources which dominated early New England trade: cod (and to a lesser extent, possibly, timber).
Well in that case I don't see any particular need to establish trading posts, except maybe beyond a few emergency cabins and smoking sites. Otherwise, Greenland will do perfectly fine as a base of operations for cod fishery. After all, it's not like many Basque literally moved to Newfoundland.
 
Otherwise, Greenland will do perfectly fine as a base of operations for cod fishery
Until the forests of Greenland are used up and the Little Ace expands the glaciers. That is why increasing European interest in N.America is important to establish early on, so that when the Greenland colonies cease to be self-sustaining there is still enough need to maintain the contact with N.America.
 
The most likely resource(s) that would draw them to establish a permanent Vinland colony would probably be the same resources which dominated early New England trade: cod (and to a lesser extent, possibly, timber).

RE: OP, There are several large hurdles which need to be overcome to make a permanent Vinland colony:
  • Getting enough colonists over for a sustainable population (which can withstand pressures from the, at the time, numerous natives)
  • Allowing colonists from ethnically diverse (non-Norse) origins (again, helps grow and stabilize the population and provides incentive for other European nations to pay attention to the New World so that if one nation collapses the colony(-ies) may receive support from others)
  • Surviving Christianization
  • Making life there profitable enough for continued support and contact from Europe through the "Little Ice Age"
  • Withstanding the Black Death even with continued European contact
  • Probably a few others I am missing off the top of my head
Now, since the question seems to be more about what impact a permanent Norse colony on the N.American Continent would have, rather than how it could happen, I would like to consider what N.America and Europe would like but really it all depends on the "how" so I really can't even fathom what would happen. Give us solutions and we can work from there. :)

I don't think it has to last from then until the present day, so much as just putting North America on European maps or at least Norse ones. I would accept for example, some native tribes establishing semi permanent trade relations with the Norse. When I said a "trading settlement" with the OP I meant like a seasonal settlement that filled in the summer and was abandoned in the winter. Some summers, it might not even be a settlement but just a single longship pulling up for a few weeks and trading iron for cod, furs and slaves.
 
For a surviving Vinland which is very plausible,you would probably need some things to go different..................................
(1) The Norse get a native ally.Either the Abenaki,Proto-Iroquois,Thule or one of the Mississippian people to set up trade relations,act as guides and intermarriage. Something that'll be beneficial for the natives,such as livestock or steel.
(2) You need more Norse coming over. Give Iceland a population explosion and they decide to emigrate to Vinland for one. Or have Vinland become popular for ambitious Vikings from all over Scandinavia to prove themselves as a challenge. Or a place for outlaws and pirates.
(3) The Norse were farmers. Therefore,Vinland needs to be productive for crops and livestock.
(4) Encourage large families. Pioneer families were huge and tho the colonization is hundreds of years earlier than American colonies,the same principal remains. Maybe even,where the Norse keep polygamy.
(5)Mayhap have Vinland more tolerant of the old religion. That'll attract those who are still holdouts from Pre-Christian times.
(6)Likewise have some monasteries. There were some (likely anachronistic) legends of Irish monks in Vinland before the Norse.
(7) Introduce some North American crops and other goods to Medieval Europe half a millenium before scheduel. If they take off,then you have plenty of interest in Vinland and incentive for Vinland to succeed.
 
What about the opposite of that, the first 100 years or so see slow but steady contact between the Norse and native tribes? They don’t set up permenant settlements, but Newfoundland becomes a regular stop for merchants looking for exotic goods.
 
What about the opposite of that, the first 100 years or so see slow but steady contact between the Norse and native tribes? They don’t set up permenant settlements, but Newfoundland becomes a regular stop for merchants looking for exotic goods.

What exotic goods? What sort of things might the East Coast Indians have that the Norse actually want, aside from slaves? Maybe yaupon tea I guess, which could be a useful trade good, although it was often associated with a religious ceremony involving drinking yaupon mixed with emetic herbs that caused profuse vomiting which is understandably distasteful from the point of view of foreigners.
 
Thought I'd drop in...

...Know more of Norse culture historically than this AH application. Anse aux Meadows was matched by another site at the extreme South West of Newfoundland/Vinland. Get one near the current St.John's site and you're near the best land in the island. I think an Icelandic type settlement would be perfectly feasible. Greenlanders and Icelanders would settle in the better conditions there, grow crops, herd cattle and sheep and fish the Grand Banks.
 
Perhaps the trigger for increased settlement would be an earlier dip in climate. An earlier start to the “little ice age”. This could perhaps start the Greenlanders looking for somewhere a touch more hospitable while they are still a viable population. This of course begs the question who the Vinlanders trade with. What are the native populations like numbers wise at this time?
 

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The most interesting topic in my oppinion would be a failed Norse colonization that for variety of reasons looses contact with Europe after Greenland colonies collapse and the survivors of several scattered trading posts ally and intermarry with several native tribes. The hybrid Norse / native tribes adopt both native and European traditions (similar to metis).

These tribes with metal technology, farming and herding then expand at expense of other tribes and when French, English, Dutch arrive are much stronger resistance to colonization and settlement.

In addition the arrival of many Norse colonist brings European disease to Natives 500 years earlier and the similar effects happen as iOTL except by time the 1500-1600 age of exploration occurs the native population are rebuilding and have built up tolerances to some of the European diseases (maybe some new strains have occurred in North America that also hurts Europe).
 
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The most interesting topic in my oppinion would be a failed Norse colonization that for variety of reasons looses contact with Europe after Greenland colonies collapse and the survivors of several scattered trading posts ally and intermarry with several native tribes. The hybrid Norse / native tribes adopt both native and European traditions (similar to metis).

These tribes with metal technology, farming and herding then expand at expense of other tribes and when French, English, Dutch arrive are much stronger resistance to colonization and settlement.

In addition the arrival of many Norse colonist brings European disease to Natives 500 years earlier and the similar effects happen as iOTL except by time the 1500-1600 age of exploration occurs the native population are rebuilding and have built up tolerances to some of the European diseases (maybe some new strains have occurred in North America that also hurts Europe).


That’s really cool tbh
 
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