WI: Pedro II of Brazil isn't overthrown?

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Well, you'd need one of Pedro's heirs to survive. IOTL one of the reason he got overthrown is no male heir
 
Well, you'd need one of Pedro's heirs to survive. IOTL one of the reason he got overthrown is no male heir

Why? His daughter the Princess Imperial was a popular and respected lady who acted as regent for her father. Both Pedro and Isabel remain respected historical figures in Brazil among the ordinary populace for their efforts to improve the lives and status of ordinary Brazilians.

Moreover by the time the monarchy was overthrown, Isabel was the mother of 3 teenage sons, and therefore even if she was not considered suitable as a long term monarch, she could have been a bridging monarch between the reign of her father and her son.

The collapse of the Brazilian monarchy is seemingly unique as it is the only abolished monarchy I can think of where it was the monarchy that was supportive of progression and democratisation and it fell as a result of wanting to support these freedoms and suffrage and it was this that alienated the military and great landowners who saw the monarchy as an opposition to the maintenance of the status quo, which they obviously wished to maintain as their position and wealth in society relied on the subjugation of others.

There was no groundswell of support for a Brazilian republic, the populace loved the monarchy, you could compare it to the collapse of the German monarchies in 1918, where only a handful of people (in percentage terms) dictated the end of a system which had worked for centuries.

It’s quite possible to imagine the continuation of the Brazilian monarchy up to the present time had there been less power exerted by a tiny majority in the military and super wealthy who wanted to maintain slavery, had more been done to destroy their power in the run up to the abolition of slavery, things could have been a lot better for the long term survival of the monarchy.
 

Zeldar155

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It would be interesting to see a monarchy in the Americas in the 20th Century.
If it wasn't for that random military coup, I could see Brazil still being a kingdom today.
 
Exactly what it says.

It depends on the POD. If you mean only no coup of November 15th then it would only mean that the monarchy would probably cease to exist in 1891, after the death of Pedro II. By 1889 the monarchy had lost the support of the Church, the Army, the coffee landowners and most of the intelectuals (i.e, nearly everyone who matters, formers slaves and common people didn't have any influence in these affairs). Also, Isabel was disliked by most of these groups, and her French husband even more. There even some internal plots among politicians and members of the royal family to declare her nephew Pedro of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza as the new Emperor instead of her (and he was actively trying to replace her as the heir of his grandfather).
I really doubt that any late attempt to preserve the monarchy would work. If you want to keep the monarchy you need a POD as early as the Tripple Alliance War, or at least get rid of Isabel and find other heir. 1889 is too late for that.
 
In one of my TLs, I have Isabel dying earlier (shortly after her sister), leaving Leopoldina's son Pedro to be the next in line (though IIRC he still doesn't come of age until the 1890's)...
 
Well I guess if they didn't slavery he has a better chance. If Im not mistaken, the Northern planters were very supportive of the monarchy and was very pro slavery.
 
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