WI: Pedro, Duke of Coimbra Survives?

And by survives I mean more than just lives past his death in 1466. He was engaged to Margaret of York on and off – courtesy of his aunt, the duchess of Burgundy – (I’m not sure if any other ladies were ever considered?). So, what if he lives past 1466, marries, and has kids? Would his line fall foul of João II similarly to what the duque de Viseu did OTL? And would his line continue claiming the throne of Aragon beyond his death? What might the consequences be of him surviving/leaving legitimate issue?
 
Ok I'm confused the Duke of Coimbra died in 49 not 66 and, as far as I know, he never had any claim to Aragon.

His son, the Condestaval de Portugal. I sort of just assumed that the ducal title passed to him when his dad died.

I think if he claims Aragon it destroys any chances of Isabella to be the Queen of Castile.

Uh...I must be daft, but why? Just because he's contesting the throne of Aragon doesn't make much difference. Ifact, I could see Aragon wanting to prevent a marriage between Isabel and Pedro or at least ensure that Castile supports Juan II instead of Pedro. What better way to do both than marry Isabel to the Prince of Girona? Or am I missing something?
 
His son, the Condestaval de Portugal. I sort of just assumed that the ducal title passed to him when his dad died.



Uh...I must be daft, but why? Just because he's contesting the throne of Aragon doesn't make much difference. Ifact, I could see Aragon wanting to prevent a marriage between Isabel and Pedro or at least ensure that Castile supports Juan II instead of Pedro. What better way to do both than marry Isabel to the Prince of Girona? Or am I missing something?

Oh the Condestável! No he was never Duke of Coimbra, when his father was declared a rebel, the Royal Dukedom went back to the Crown.

Well for one it will depend on the ramifications of his survival. If he manages to win the war against John II of Aragon then the biggest difference would be during the Castilian Civil War, without Aragon, Portugal and the Juanistas are probably going to win it. From there on it's anyone's guess.
 
Oh the Condestável! No he was never Duke of Coimbra, when his father was declared a rebel, the Royal Dukedom went back to the Crown.

That's odd, since Pedro's younger brother, Joao (who married Charlotte of Cyprus, and got poisoned by his mother-in-law), seems to have held the title of "duque de Coimbra" according to my sources. So if dad was declared and died a rebel, why would the dukedom be given to his younger son?

Would he win, though? I mean, after he died, the Aragonese turned to René of Anjou, but AFAIK they nnever actually managed to unseat Juan II. So, what if Pedro's efforts go more-or-less the same way: he doesn't defeat Juan II, and become king of Aragon, but he IS still a threat, even if he's sitting in Portugal. Likeliest probability is Juan orders him poisoned (IIRC there were rumors of this with both Juan's elder two kids' death), but if he leaves a wife (who?) and kid(s), the threat is just delayed, not dead.
 
That's odd, since Pedro's younger brother, Joao (who married Charlotte of Cyprus, and got poisoned by his mother-in-law), seems to have held the title of "duque de Coimbra" according to my sources. So if dad was declared and died a rebel, why would the dukedom be given to his younger son?

Would he win, though? I mean, after he died, the Aragonese turned to René of Anjou, but AFAIK they nnever actually managed to unseat Juan II. So, what if Pedro's efforts go more-or-less the same way: he doesn't defeat Juan II, and become king of Aragon, but he IS still a threat, even if he's sitting in Portugal. Likeliest probability is Juan orders him poisoned (IIRC there were rumors of this with both Juan's elder two kids' death), but if he leaves a wife (who?) and kid(s), the threat is just delayed, not dead.

There were only two dukes of Coimbra in the 16th century, Peter son of John I, and George natural son of John II. None of Peter sons was ever made Duke of Coimbra.

If Afonso V gives Peter support he has a shot but I can't be sure if he would or wouldn't do that. His survival creates many possible scenarios that depend on info that I simply don't have.
But even a bigger civil war in Aragon could cause enough troubles to ensure that Aragon is unable to participate in the Castilian Civil War.
 
There were only two dukes of Coimbra in the 16th century, Peter son of John I, and George natural son of John II. None of Peter sons was ever made Duke of Coimbra.

If Afonso V gives Peter support he has a shot but I can't be sure if he would or wouldn't do that. His survival creates many possible scenarios that depend on info that I simply don't have.
But even a bigger civil war in Aragon could cause enough troubles to ensure that Aragon is unable to participate in the Castilian Civil War.

Wasn't Pedro Affonso's brother-in-law? There had been a plan to maary Affonso to a Bragança girl, but then Coimbra substituted his daughter, although the relationship between the king and Coimbra went south after that IIRC. So, unless Bragança's out of the picture, the Condestavel is unlikely to have Affonso's support. Although the king COULD support him to get him out of the country (often wonder why Joao II didn't send Manuel to London to marry Elizabeth of York before Bosworth. He had no love for the Viseus -despite being married to one of them). Which could make for fun times.

Who else would be likely to give Pedro support? Yorkist Englandconsidered marrying him to Margaret of York, so they must have felt the desire to interfere (whether they could/would is another matter). France would be backing anybody who's causing Aragon grief, but they've got their own Aragonese claimant.

Was there at any point a chance that Pedro COULD'VE ended up as king of Aragon? Or were he and René d'Anjou simply playing against a stacked deck?
 
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