WI/PC Habsburg Kingdom of Italy centered around Lombardy-Venetia?

In case of division of the Habsburg realm, could the Habsburg try to claim the kingdom of Italy for their Kingdom of Lombardy-Venetia?
 
Unlikely, especially as the newly split realm no longer has the clout to contest France, who has designs of their own for Italy.
 
They can, but they'd have a hard time both overcoming French designs and actually making themselves liked.

Italians aren't that keen on having a German King, one who had just stopped being in staunch opposition to Pan-Italianism.
 
They can, but they'd have a hard time both overcoming French designs and actually making themselves liked.

Italians aren't that keen on having a German King, one who had just stopped being in staunch opposition to Pan-Italianism.
I see, so there is no posibily of a Kingdom of Italy in good terms with a Vienna that still controls Gorizia, Pola, Fiume and Dalmatia?
 
I see, so there is no posibily of a Kingdom of Italy in good terms with a Vienna that still controls Gorizia, Pola, Fiume and Dalmatia?

If 'Italy' actually means Republic of Venice + Duchy of Milan, then yeah, it could be feasibly done. But there's a reason the name 'Italy' was avoided OTL; any such King would be either a constant pull for Nationalism (any non-Habsburg, especially if not one of their cadet branches) or Imperialism (giving a claim that wouldn't be liked by France, Britain, or even the German-speaking parts of the Empire).
 
If 'Italy' actually means Republic of Venice + Duchy of Milan, then yeah, it could be feasibly done. But there's a reason the name 'Italy' was avoided OTL; any such King would be either a constant pull for Nationalism (any non-Habsburg, especially if not one of their cadet branches) or Imperialism (giving a claim that wouldn't be liked by France, Britain, or even the German-speaking parts of the Empire).
I see, so then we have a Kingdom of Lombardy-Venetia, in which I could see the venetiand colaborating but the lombards would be a hard nut to crack. Would this be sustainable in terms of internal legitimacy?
 
I see, so then we have a Kingdom of Lombardy-Venetia, in which I could see the venetiand colaborating but the lombards would be a hard nut to crack. Would this be sustainable in terms of internal legitimacy?

Yes. The main problem will be resisting Nationalism, and the fact such a Kingdom can threaten Wien's interests, so it entirely depends on its neighbor's continued goodwill.
 
Yes. The main problem will be resisting Nationalism, and the fact such a Kingdom can threaten Wien's interests, so it entirely depends on its neighbor's continued goodwill.

And strength, which a truncated Austria can't provide much of if they have pressure on themselves elsewhere. If nothing else, spinning off the Italian provinces cuts the already streched treasury's income by around 1/4, so you can say fairwell to a big chunk of the Habsburg army that traditionally would be used to keep the Nationalist lid on.
 
I assume said Kingdom would espouse a sort of ante litteram Padania ideology, so it can hold its own against other Italian polities and pass some money on to Wien.
 
So the KLV was never viable outside the Austrian empire. (Edit: wrote this before Evil Crusader answer) In case of Habsburg lead german unification, if it was imposible to add non german terrotories outside the slovenian and czeck land and the austrian littoral, could the Habsburg get the italian Kingdom to accept their border?
 
I assume said Kingdom would espouse a sort of ante litteram Padania ideology, so it can hold its own against other Italian polities and pass some money on to Wien.

Why are they sending money to Wein? The Habsburg realm is divided here, so I assumed this was spinning off as an independent state. Is this just devolution?
 
Why are they sending money to Wein? The Habsburg realm is divided here, so I assumed this was spinning off as an independent state. Is this just devolution?

As I said, I can't see this working outside of Austrian 'protection' because in any other scenario, it either stays under Austria or joins some kind of Italian macro-polity.
 
Why are they sending money to Wein? The Habsburg realm is divided here, so I assumed this was spinning off as an independent state. Is this just devolution?
Divided among Habsburgs so the the main branch can go to unify germany. The more peripherical non german territories would be nominal independent states under german economical and military hegemony. Honestly I wanted to test the idea of an early Habsburg Mitteleuropa.
 
Divided among Habsburgs so the the main branch can go to unify germany. The more peripherical non german territories would be nominal independent states under german economical and military hegemony. Honestly I wanted to test the idea of an early Habsburg Mitteleuropa.

Do it over the objections of the Italian subjects (if any at all). It's not like they are a real danger to It.
 
Divided among Habsburgs so the the main branch can go to unify germany. The more peripherical non german territories would be nominal independent states under german economical and military hegemony. Honestly I wanted to test the idea of an early Habsburg Mitteleuropa.

Oh, so Austria isen't weakened tha. Evil has hit the nail on the head than.
 
In the very interesting «Secret Protest of the Austrian Foreign Minister, Prince von Metternich, to the British Foreign Minister, Lord Castlereagh» (26 May), a few days before the signing of the First Treaty of Paris (30 May), Metternich reiterated at his counterpart British colleague what were the arrangements, in relation to the concerted division, that had been agreed in the Congress of Prague (29 July 1813), in agreement with the British government: the supreme direction and final organization, without restriction, by Austria on Italian territories, excluding those owed to the Kingdom of Sardinia (Art.4, 9, 10); Austria would have arranged the territories of the (Napoleonic) Kingdom of Italy, of the states of Genoa and Parma, in favor of a prince of the House of Austria, with the exception of Modena, Reggio Emilia and Massa Carrara owed to the House of Austria-Este, and the princedoms of Lucca and Piombino, which would be gathered at the Grand Duchy of Tuscany (Art.23,24); the British government delegated to Austria mediation with Spain about Tuscany and Parma (Art.22), and to conclude a treaty (of alliance and guarantee) with Joachim Murat (Art.14), recognizing him as King of Naples; it was not mentioned of restore the status quo of the temporal sovereignty of the Pope (Art.12), «because the House of Austria had on that part of Italy a clear title as king of Rome and also as emperor and head of the German Society»; finally, the (Napoleonic) Illyrian Provinces would be back in Austrian possession in return of Galicia and Lodomeria given to the Russian Tsar as King of Poland (Art.25).
 
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