WI: Ottomans takes Vienna in 1683?

What if the Ottomans were able to force Vienna to surrender? What comes next? How would the rest of Europe react? Could the Ottoman's hold it for a significant part of time?

EDIT: The POD is that the Winged Hussars don't arrive in time in 1683 and as such the city falls.
 
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Ottomans likely take the rest of western Austria and some of Bohemia, as well as Royal Hungary. However, the details of the situation depend on when they take Vienna and what change lead to this.
 
It seems that there is a bit if a mix up. Suleiman was the sultan in 1529, not in 1683. He was present for the battle in 1529 but Mehmed IV was not in 1683.

Depending on which siege you are inquiring about, the time period would, IMO, determine the response from other kingdoms in Europe and how far the Ottomans will go.
 
It seems that there is a bit if a mix up. Suleiman was the sultan in 1529, not in 1683. He was present for the battle in 1529 but Mehmed IV was not in 1683.

Depending on which siege you are inquiring about, the time period would, IMO, determine the response from other kingdoms in Europe and how far the Ottomans will go.
I did mean the 1683 battle, but I got my Sultan's mixed up it seems. Again, very sorry.
 
Would they be able to keep it? IIRC, one of the challenges here was the length of the campaign season during the summer months. Its easier to reconquer if you are coming from Venice, Prague, or Krakow than it is to hold it from Istanbul.
 
I did mean the 1683 battle, but I got my Sultan's mixed up it seems. Again, very sorry.
No worries. It happens to the best of us.

So, the winged hussars under John III Sobieski do not arrive in time to help relieve Vienna. Cavalry, from what I have read, will not do well when facing a force that is entrenched in a city. All Kara Mustafa would have to do is bring his forces into Vienna. However, that opens up a new can of worms. There would be an issue with not only supplies but with the fact that the city has had issues with plague since 1679, IIRC.

To better understand the situation, I have some questions. When do the Ottomans take hold of the city? What happened to the garrison that was holding the city (captured, all killed, retreated, etc.)? What was the outcome of the action at Bisamberg between Charles V, Duke of Lorraine and Imre Thokoly of Hungary?
 
To better understand the situation, I have some questions. When do the Ottomans take hold of the city? What happened to the garrison that was holding the city (captured, all killed, retreated, etc.)? What was the outcome of the action at Bisamberg between Charles V, Duke of Lorraine and Imre Thokoly of Hungary?
To answer this lets say that the Duke of Hungary is able to pull out a victory and Vienna surrenders. All inside are captured with a few of the rank and file killed to discourage open revolt.
 
While the winged hussars are famous, they were part of a larger army that (if not deployed to relieve Vienna) will have more opportunities to sap the Ottomans' strength. There will be a significant Imperial-Bavarian-Saxon force waylaying further advances into Austria, and Polish & Lithuanian forces in the north to stall a breakout to Prague or Krakow.

So we might see a fall of Vienna that changes not TOO much, with the Holy League retaking Vienna during winter or next year, while nothing much else falls to the Ottomans. Of course it's unlikely the Austrians will be able to capture quite so much in the aftermath if the main Ottoman army is succesful and then withdraws to winter camps.

This will have massive consequences later, but mostly on the Austrian/Imperial-French balance of power (the sheer size of the Ottoman collapse after the failure at Vienna implies, to me, that they were already weaker than their opposition, just that neither side knew that).
 
While the winged hussars are famous, they were part of a larger army that (if not deployed to relieve Vienna) will have more opportunities to sap the Ottomans' strength. There will be a significant Imperial-Bavarian-Saxon force waylaying further advances into Austria, and Polish & Lithuanian forces in the north to stall a breakout to Prague or Krakow.

So we might see a fall of Vienna that changes not TOO much, with the Holy League retaking Vienna during winter or next year, while nothing much else falls to the Ottomans. Of course it's unlikely the Austrians will be able to capture quite so much in the aftermath if the main Ottoman army is succesful and then withdraws to winter camps.

This will have massive consequences later, but mostly on the Austrian/Imperial-French balance of power (the sheer size of the Ottoman collapse after the failure at Vienna implies, to me, that they were already weaker than their opposition, just that neither side knew that).

Hitting the nail on the head. A good comparison is with Imperial Japan in WW2, thanks to a combination of good luck and incompetence on behalf on their opponents they got far further than anyone really expected but had no chance of final victory.
 
Well the Ottomans get a lot of spoils, a major part why the failed siege was such a disaster was that the Ottomans had invested a lot of capital in the conflict, which they had gotten with confiscating money and promise them back, when they returned with the loot. So the failed siege was a economic disaster. Of course while a success would give the Ottoman breathing space, it wouldn't change the decay there empire was in, and the Ottomans are pretty unlikely to reform. So the Habsburgs are likely to push reform and then he hit the Ottomans hard.
 
I'll have to agree with previous statements made. Even if the Ottomans did take Vienna, while it would be a blow to morale, it would just lead to a renewed offensive in the spring.

The Ottomans screwed up with their timing in regard to this campaign. IIRC, there was a roughly a fifteen month gap between mobilization and the invasion. The Hapsburgs had time to plan and make preparations.
 
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