WI: Ottoman foothold in Italy?

There is a good possibility that I'm maybe a little bit worse :p, since I'm rather more biased, and actually love Ottoman Empire more than my own country :D

OTOH, I haven't accumulated as much stress in defending Ottoman Empire because, well I'm not confident enough with my knowledge about OE so I haven't dived into rumbles as often, and really for pretty much the whole part I have been just merely stepping on the stones he has lied down..... :eek:

I'm a Greek-fag and I tend to be biased against the Ottomans so not me. If I did it, I would make sure any expansion in Italy or Tunisia (in our other thread) would hinder their ability to expand in their OTL territories. ;)
 
I'm a Greek-fag and I tend to be biased against the Ottomans so not me. If I did it, I would make sure any expansion in Italy or Tunisia (in our other thread) would hinder their ability to expand in their OTL territories. ;)

As long as anything would be realistic, I will actually have little (!;)) problem about it ;)

But it seems to me that it would still be realistic for Ottomans to reach their OTL borders after the conquest of Italy, depends on how they will play it and of course their luck. The wealth of Italy will actually be able to increase their maximum capacity for a good slight, if used correctly, and also that Ottoman economical stagnation will normally arrive later, for that matter. Of course, there will be the fact that majority of their population is now Christian, albeit divided. More points of frictions with Europeans, but this one can realistically be overcome, knowing we're talking about Ottomans(especially if there will be no any equivalent of Roxxane ITTL), and the effect of Ottoman conquest of Papacy will be massive in Europe(with quite an emphasize of relations between European powers). The key here would be foreign relations.

OTOH, if with Ottoman Italy Granada can be saved, I think there will be a good chance of Portuguese adventure in Indian Ocean will be prevented, and thus the root of OTL Egypt's bankruptcy that led to Ottomans able to devour it quite easily....
 
As long as anything would be realistic, I will actually have little (!;)) problem about it ;)

But it seems to me that it would still be realistic for Ottomans to reach their OTL borders after the conquest of Italy, depends on how they will play it and of course their luck. The wealth of Italy will actually be able to increase their maximum capacity for a good slight, if used correctly, and also that Ottoman economical stagnation will normally arrive later, for that matter. Of course, there will be the fact that majority of their population is now Christian, albeit divided. More points of frictions with Europeans, but this one can realistically be overcome, knowing we're talking about Ottomans(especially if there will be no any equivalent of Roxxane ITTL), and the effect of Ottoman conquest of Papacy will be massive in Europe(with quite an emphasize of relations between European powers). The key here would be foreign relations.

OTOH, if with Ottoman Italy Granada can be saved, I think there will be a good chance of Portuguese adventure in Indian Ocean will be prevented, and thus the root of OTL Egypt's bankruptcy that led to Ottomans able to devour it quite easily....

Hey and maybe the Greeks lose their prestigious position as providing for the mothers of the Ottoman Sultans. (I considered them Islam-ized Greeks technically. :p) Maybe the Italians would serve as the administrative class instead of the Greeks.
 
Hey and maybe the Greeks lose their prestigious position as providing for the mothers of the Ottoman Sultans. (I considered them Islam-ized Greeks technically. :p) Maybe the Italians would serve as the administrative class instead of the Greeks.

Really, Ottoman Sultans were seldom Turks !! :D

Incidentally, now I've become curious about how Orthodox-Catholic relations would fair within the Ottoman Empire.....
 
Really, Ottoman Sultans were seldom Turks !! :D

Incidentally, now I've become curious about how Orthodox-Catholic relations would fair within the Ottoman Empire.....

I seem to recall the Ottomans were big fags when it came to Persian culture. They didn't really consider themselves Turks and as for them being Greek, well they were pretty much ethnic Greeks culturally confused considering how many Greek princesses those Ottoman sultans bedded. :D I think Orthodox -Catholic relations would be very tense within the Ottoman empire.
 
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