WI: Osama Bin-Laden Captured Alive & Flipped

Sorry for the double post, but just to refute your point, the CIA has had a number of "true believers" locked up and in time with the CIA's top interrogators for YEARS in Guantanamo Bay. Wanna take a guess on how many have flipped? It's a number between -1 and 1. It's not happening.

So you really arguing with me..right now.. the CIA neither has nor had any informants within the superstructure of Al Qaeda since 2001. Over the past 16 years since 9/11 - we have no clandestine flipped sources within any extremist groups in the middle east..

Sorry, but your education on the subject matter at hand seems to be between -1 and 1 and this is made even more apparent by your lack of sources to go along with your claims.
A cursory Google search disapproves you entire position, fyi

again, when your ready to offer anything other than conjecture...
 
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SsgtC

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When you're ready to do anything other than belittle those who disagree with you, let me know. Till then, I'm not going to argue with you. Especially when you come Al Jazeera as a reliable source.

So you really arguing with me..right now.. the CIA neither has nor had any informants within the superstructure of Al Qaeda since 2001. Over the past 16 years since 9/11 - we have no clandestine flipped sources within any extremist groups in the middle east..

Sorry, but your education on the subject matter at hand seems to be between -1 and 1 and this is made even more apparent by your lack of sources to go along with your claims.
A cursory Google search disapproves you entire position, fyi

again, when your ready to offer anything other than conjecture...
 
Plus, I think it would be politically impossible for the CIA to even stomach the notion of utilizing Bin Laden. How would anybody trust him? If he was deployed, who is to say that he doesn't go underground again and in fact then informs his Al-Qaeda colleagues what he learned while he was being supposedly flipped by the CIA?

Furthermore, if it was ever leaked to the press that the CIA had used Bin Laden as an agent, and its likely that there is some person in the CIA that is so disgusted with the notion of using Bin Laden because of what he did on 9/11 they could pull off a Snowden, then the CIA will lose all credibility; a death nail for not only the agency but the entire government.
 
When you're ready to do anything other than belittle those who disagree with you, let me know. Till then, I'm not going to argue with you. Especially when you come Al Jazeera as a reliable source.

I was a little harsh. my apologies.
However, Al jazeera is a credibal news source. Please provide one that illustrates your counter point
 
There have been plenty of "true believers" over human history that have survived only to betray the cause(s) they had fought for. How the hell do you think informant networks are formed among radical groups? People, with proper incentives applied, often switch allegiances; and moreover, the Al Qaeda of 2010 - 2011 wasn't Bin Laden's anymore. He was so far removed from day to day operations that its hard to believe that kinship to the next-generation of leadership/fighters would've have prevented a flip.
Put a top CIA Interrogator in a room with him for a month or two and this could be made apparent to him.
No, this is not out of the realm of plausibility.
This is out of the realm of plausibility.
 
Offer more than conjecture and troll posts and I'll respond with evidence to the contrary
Wasn't trolling, but okay.

Like the guy said before, there has been exactly 0 Al-Qaeda members who have renounced in Guantanamo Bay, so why would Bin Laden be different? Why would he do it, knowing that he would still be killed regardless of what he said? Would he be willing for no reason to throw away everything he had worked on?

And what would the U.S. gain from it? Nothing. They would still be pressured to execute Bin Laden, and having the guy who committed the most heinous terrorist attack in history suddenly repent isn't a good look.

It's impossible for this to happen. It's a bad WI.
 
Wasn't trolling, but okay.

Like the guy said before, there has been exactly 0 Al-Qaeda members who have renounced in Guantanamo Bay...

Exactly how would you know this?
In fact, there is evidence to the contray which I have linked in a previous post on this thread.

So why would Bin Laden be different? Why would he do it, knowing that he would still be killed regardless of what he said? Would he be willing for no reason to throw away everything he had worked on?

And what would the U.S. gain from it? Nothing. They would still be pressured to execute Bin Laden, and having the guy who committed the most heinous terrorist attack in history suddenly repent isn't a good look.

It's impossible for this to happen. It's a bad WI.

We don't know what Bin Laden would've or wouldn't have done if detained and interrogated for an extended period of time. However, that's not the point of my question - it's about the effect such a reversal would have had on the War on Terror post-2011.

At the very least such a reversal would have a destabilzing effect on the extremist narrative
 
Exactly how would you know this?
In fact, there is evidence to the contray which I have linked in a previous post on this thread.



We don't know what Bin Laden would've or wouldn't have done if detained and interrogated for an extended period of time. However, that's not the point of my question - it's about the effect such a reversal would have had on the War on Terror post-2011.
The question in and of itself is completely illogical. There is no point asking, unless it's supposed to end completely ASB.
 
If a serial killer truly repents is he typically let off in the USA. BIN LADEN was far more notorious than any criminal since Hitler.

Whatever he said or did if captured alive he would end up with a shiv from another inmate or a lethal needle
 
If a serial killer truly repents is he typically let off in the USA. BIN LADEN was far more notorious than any criminal since Hitler.

Whatever he said or did if captured alive he would end up with a shiv from another inmate or a lethal needle

I think your forgetting that there would be a substaintal interest in not making him a martyr.

If hes put on trial, and if he can be made to confess and publically denounce everything he and his allies had done - and given up some good intel to boot - life in a supermax would be very likely.
 
The question in and of itself is completely illogical. There is no point asking, unless it's supposed to end completely ASB.

Oh bt
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American al Qaeda member turned informant avoids long sentence

(Reuters) - A New York City-born former al Qaeda member who plotted to attack a commuter railroad will be released in three months after spending 8-1/2 years in custody because of the extensive intelligence he provided U.S. investigators after his arrest, prosecutors said.
 
I think your forgetting that there would be a substaintal interest in not making him a martyr.

If hes put on trial, and if he can be made to confess and publically denounce everything he and his allies had done - and given up some good intel to boot - life in a supermax would be very likely.

That would take nothing short of painful torture or one hell of a deal, like 72 virgins in his cell every day and solid gold toilet paper. I just don't see it happening. Stranger things have happened but it's very unlikely. I agree that the US would be better off not making him a martyr but it's not their style. This is a country that did just that to everyone from the Rosenbergs to Timothy McVeigh. No way in hell does someone who makes McVeigh look like a choirboy get off without being executed.
 

James G

Gone Fishin'
OBL was the enemy of the United States. He made himself one before 9/11. The United States built the War on Terrorism around him. He wanted a fight with the American Government and got one.
Turning / flipping him would only be done if the USA was a fictional 1984-style totalitarian state. It would serve little purpose even then.
The Nazis had little use for such ideas and neither did the Soviets really: the show trials with confessions only meant death. The United States is neither Hitler's Germany nor Stalin's Russia.
When they found him in his safe house he wasn't leaving there alive. A trial and imprisonment, getting him to recant and saying he will never be naughty again, wouldn't be as stark of a warning to those who wish to challenge the USA as killing him was.
 
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