what timeline would be necessary to have the members on AH.com love Operation Sealion as a TL, and always marvel about "if Hitler hadn't switch to bombing cities instead of airfield, the british would be speaking german today"?
Bismarck said:what timeline would be necessary to have the members on AH.com love Operation Sealion as a TL, and always marvel about "if Hitler hadn't switch to bombing cities instead of airfield, the british would be speaking german today"?
I agree that Sealion is a very difficult work apart of the clear need that the germans needed a clear plan before the World War II to make an invasion of England (and have to be a well done plan), DMA, General_Paul, Redbeard and Thomas G have depicted the principal problems and needs of what is necessary to make Sealion not only a possible (unless that Germans love the suicide), also a succesful invasion.
Some ideas that can help a little to have more possible Sea Lion:
1. Not Scandinavian Campaign (assuming that allies decides not to implement plans of invading Narvik before the german invasion -so another POD the allies prefers to respect the neutrality of Norway-) or a very succesful one: this means that germans have 3 cruisers, 10 destroyers, 6 submarines, 30 transports and 200 aircraft that are not lost and available to a possible invasion of Norway.
2.As say by DMA Bismarck and Tirpitz are finished and could enter in action by the time of Sealion invasion I would add that Graf Zeppelin is also finished (some more help)
3.No Dunkerke: British army is effectively destroyed (not only the materiel also the men).
These three thing could help a little
I suspect that the previous poster meant that France 1940 proceed as OTL, except that the german army would NOT pause once the BEF was surrounded on the beach. Rather than letting just the Luftwaffe 'destroy' the Brits, let the jerries throw everything at them. It would have caused thousands of causualties for the germans, but removed hundreds of thousands of Brits (including nearly all of their long-service veterns).arctic warrior said:No. 3 would most probably depend on the Germans NOT altering plans for the campain in France, but rely on a modified Schleiffen plan, pushing the Allied armies south, making a Dunquerque near to impossible. But then this would make for a prolonged campain in France and...
Just how long does everyone think it would take to subdue England, assuming the Germans had organized units on-shore in Dover? Everyone seems focused on 'supply' and 'logistics' and 'the eventual victory by the RN'.Tom_B said:For a plausible Sea Lion
1] A larger German des...snip...Anyway do ALL of the above (OK #17 is optional) the odds for Sea Lion are:
1] 40% complete failure
2] 20% get cordoned off in Kent (may help in negotiating but probably not)
and 40% complete success
tinfoil said:Just how long does everyone think it would take to subdue England, assuming the Germans had organized units on-shore in Dover? Everyone seems focused on 'supply' and 'logistics' and 'the eventual victory by the RN'.
France, with Britain still in the fight, crumbled in two weeks from the point of having 'the world's best army'. Britain's morale is at an all-time ebb, and the 'German War Machine' seemingly unbeatable.
A full military victory may not have been required. The mere presence of grey-uniformed troops may have been enough. If Germany was somehow able to repulse the RN's first sortie without TOTAL Kriegsmarine losses, who knows?
Germany didn't want occupation anyways. They wanted britain to ask for terms. Sea-lion need not win a military total victory to give Hitler what he wanted: Britain out of the war, so he could focus on the 'Red horde'.