How long would he need to live for the Mongols to conquer Europe? Any opinion's on how the campaign would play out? Do the Mongols reach the Atlantic or can Europe rally to stop them at the Alps or Rhine?
Mongols can reach Germany but hardly Rhein. Problem is that Europe is full of forests and hills. These not be very suitable things for people which move with horses. And there is too much castles and Mongols weren't very good with sieges.
How long would he need to live for the Mongols to conquer Europe? Any opinion's on how the campaign would play out? Do the Mongols reach the Atlantic or can Europe rally to stop them at the Alps or Rhine?
Mongols can reach Germany but hardly Rhein. Problem is that Europe is full of forests and hills. These not be very suitable things for people which move with horses. And there is too much castles and Mongols weren't very good with sieges.
Historically, the mongols were able to exploit the disunity in Russia and Poland to overrun it. In Hungary, they faked a withdrawl, lured their opponents into an open area and ambushed them. They were also very good at spreading terror, which prompted many cities to give up without a fight.
In central Europe and the balkans, high mountains and forests would pose huge logistical issues. However, the mongol's greatest asset in Europe comes to play- a complete lack in coordination defending against the mongols. Historically, Pope Gregory and HRE emperor Frederick were fighting each other for control of the catholic church, and neither considered the mongols a low risk. If the mongols moved fast enough and won enough battles, Europe would crumble away.
Of course, delaying Ogedei khan's death creates massive butterflies in later mongol expansion, the civil war, and decline.
You might as the people in China what they thought of Mongols and sieges
Historically, the mongols were able to exploit the disunity in Russia and Poland to overrun it. In Hungary, they faked a withdrawl, lured their opponents into an open area and ambushed them. They were also very good at spreading terror, which prompted many cities to give up without a fight.
In central Europe and the balkans, high mountains and forests would pose huge logistical issues. However, the mongol's greatest asset in Europe comes to play- a complete lack in coordination defending against the mongols. Historically, Pope Gregory and HRE emperor Frederick were fighting each other for control of the catholic church, and neither considered the mongols a low risk. If the mongols moved fast enough and won enough battles, Europe would crumble away.
Of course, delaying Ogedei khan's death creates massive butterflies in later mongol expansion, the civil war, and decline.
Hm, I think, there must be some ban list for history forums for the things you said.Problem is that Europe is full of forests and hills.
How are the Mongols going to feed their horses once they're off the plains of Eastern Europe? They could certainly raid the HRE, but it would resemble the Magyars 300 years prior, rather than a complete Mongol conquest.
Well.There was nothing in the way of the mongols from reaching the English channel, most of the knights in Europe were present at Budapest and crushed. Just read what Conn Iggulden wrote as historical fact after he finished the story about the Mongols OR read What if 2(or 3)
Geting sucked into a quagmire of a campaign for another year so far away from the base, while the russians may grow restless for pretty much nothing (since Bela did not show any intention for vassalage or tpaying tribute) did not worth it - i always found the whole election thing a phony excuse. To simply put, continuing the campaign did not worth the risks.