WI North Caucasian Soviet Republic

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Dagestan is madness indeed, and that's one reason I hesitate splitting the region in ASSRs, as soon as one of the ethnic groups seem favored, the others will get mad. Essentially the North Caucasian SSR could work as a Mega Dagestan.
 
What are we exactly talking about? Daguestan, Ingushetia and Chechnya? Northern Ossetia too?

Everything between Circassia and either Dagestan or the Caspian. Maybe Circassia too. So at the very least Chechnya, Ingushetia, North Ossetia, Kabarda, Balkaria, and the Karachay region.
 

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What Dr. Hoodbhoy said exscept Circassia, since Circassia wasn't a part of the independent Mountainous Republic. And yes, it included Dagestan.
 

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Dagestan wasn't in the Soviet autonomous republic though. They might include Circassia to balance the locals with Slavs.

Perhaps, but would they really betray all the Russians of Circassia? (They would of course have no problems betraying the Cossacks, since they all had supported the White movement.)
 

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The Karelo- Finnish SSR was nothing else than propaganda against Finland anyway, and never meant to be a long lived project Already in 1956 it had became an ASSR under RSFSR.
 

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Was just thinking; let's say the North Caucasian SSR survived to the 90s, when USSR collapsed and the Soviet Republics became independent. Until then the weight of the Soviet military would have forcefully hold it otgether, but what would happen after independence? Would it become a new Yugoslavia or anew Switzerland? If it goes on the Yugoslavian path, which ethnic groups would take on the role as the Serbs,i.e. trying to keep the Republic together by all means necessary?
 
Was just thinking; let's say the North Caucasian SSR survived to the 90s, when USSR collapsed and the Soviet Republics became independent.

Well, I don't really think it's obligatory to have all the SSRs declare independence. I see 6 options for the Ciscaucasian/Mountainous/North Caucasian SSR/SFSR:

1) The Slavs are a minority. The republic doesn't declare independence because it seems to be more in its interests to stick with Russia. Circassia is not included.

2) The Slavs are a minority. The republic declares independence. Circassia is not included.

3) The Slavs are a large minority (like in Kazakhstan, Estonia, Latvia, and Moldova). The republic doesn't declare independence because the Slavs are opposed and it seems to be more in its interests to stick with Russia. Circassia may or may not be included.

4) The Slavs are a large minority (like in Kazakhstan, Estonia, Latvia, and Moldova). The republic declares independence. Circassia may or may not be included.

5) The Slavs are a large minority (like in Kazakhstan, Estonia, Latvia, and Moldova). The republic declares independence. The Slavs react through separatist or autonomist movements (like they did in Transnistria and like the Russians did in the Crimea and Donbas) that could lead to anything. Circassia may or may not be included.

6) The Slavs are the majority. The republic doesn't declare independence because the Slavs are opposed. Circassia is included.

And that's just assuming that the locals speak with one voice on the issue of independence. By Slavs I'm referring to Russians, Ukrainians and Cossacks.
 

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Well, historically all SSRs declared independendence. I'd imagine the Slavs are a moderate size minority (Circassia not included). Relations with Russia would be quite rocky I guess, what about relations with Georgia? More important, what about relations between the many ethnic groups inside the new republic?
 
Well, historically all SSRs declared independendence.

Yeah, but a republic-by-republic dissolution was not some sort of historical imperative. There's a scale here, with the Baltics and Georgia the most likely to go and Byelorussia and Kazakhstan the least. A complete breakup required a complete fuckup.

Relations with Russia would be quite rocky I guess, what about relations with Georgia?
Depends on the situation of the Ossetians in both Georgia and Whateveryoucallit. If there's no disagreement on that issue then the only other sources of conflict are ultranationalist ambitions for a Greater Georgia (which would lead to a rather unimportant territorial dispute) and radical Islam gaining a foothold in Whateveryoucallit.

More important, what about relations between the many ethnic groups inside the new republic?
They could have gone in any direction by this point.
 
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Then in my opinion, Christian West vs. Muslim East would open the door for a general conflict there, once religion begins to gain more importance in the absence of communism. It would also change the conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia in 1992, as North Ossetia would be struggling for independence from the MRNC at the same time.
 
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