WI Nordic Empire Forms to counterbalance Rome?

Yes, but it doesn't take in consideration one major thing : earlier ancient civilisations weren't only agricultural centers (Papuasia was, after all, and never develloped an empire) but had the possibility to do either massive harvests (or even double harvests) thanks to their ecological contexts (great rivers, fertile lands).

Northern Europe didn't had that.


Then thats where I'm making the POD in the Neolithic period where the societies are able to gather more food.
 
It's not about "gathering" more food, it's about producing twice as much. More gathering would meant that northern european societies could pass quicker from "Great Man" to "Big Man" situation, but they would still be backwards to OTL Ancient Civs, and the formers would be still far more vulnerable to climatic changes and backleash.
 

Just gave it a quick read through.
A major problem is population which in Scandinavia was quite small. Another changing weather patterns so havests would fluctuate back an forth mainly during the Iron age which is precisely when this is going to grow into a major empire.

Southern Scandinavia was petty statelets warring among each other till Kingdoms emerged in Denmark around 700 somewhat later in the other two lands.
Even when the Vikings were going amok in Britain they had to some extend rely on rebellious locals to swell their numbers.
Later the Danish kings of the 12. century would do the same thing in the Baltic area.

Scandinavia just couldn't field the population needed to counter something like the Roman Empire.
In the timeframe of the OP they were just too happy infighting or going Cuchulainn style rampaging on their neighbours.

The only thing close to the wishes is Chochilaicus' and possibly others raids on Friesland around 516 as recounted by Gregory of Tours.

But then the Scandinavians have to discover (this isn't CIV but anyway :D) sailing - been rowing till now - which they funny around to do till about 730 or some such.
 
Why does it do that? Christianity developed within a Roman Empire that had about the same borders as the one in your map.

butterflies, with a germanic nation on the northern border, wars would be fought with them, more lives lost, whos to say none of those men are the grandfather of Jesus?
 
check out all this info it could possibly butterfly Rome away


This is Basically a list of a bunch of languages that were thought to be
spoken before the arrival of our modern Indo-European language family these languages are cnearly lost except for the few words that transferred over.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Indo-European_languages

This basically gives you information on where an Empire in the North could have formed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_...c_.28Middle_Stone.29_Age_.288000_-_3000_BC.29


Im one of the few people here that like prehistoric PODS
 
People actually speak languages and lived in societies before Indo-Europeans.
Well yes. And how this actually butterfly Rome given that Rome is as well issued from that?
 
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