WI no war of 1812?

There would probably be no Hartford Convention, which means the Federalists wouldn't have died off.
 
America needed the war of 1812 it started and age of nationalism and creates a strong sense of self worth in the Nation, or at least that was the answer that Mr. Copland accepted on the our test yesterday. So we would be looking at a country that would have had a slightly lower feeling of self worth and the federalist party might have lasted longer because, there never would have been that peace sumitt thing, darn it I can't remember what it was called but during the war there was a kind of peace sumitt in which the federalists talked treason, (suceeding from the Union and becoming a British colony) though they voted the Idea down. After that the mantal of the federalist party was to tarnished and that spelled it's end for the most part.So if there hadn't been a war of 1812 there would have been an enormous amount of butterflies, that would be hard to track.

Funny how you call it when you did it in 1776 and how you call it when others tried to do it in 1812 or 1860. :rolleyes:
 
The navy that was built for the War of 1812 had some remarkable successes. The USN will have a weaker tradition and corporate identity in this TL, at least for awhile. This could also have some political butterflies, as for a long time the Navy was one of the few national institutions and one of the few reasons the federal government needed to tax.
 
Much of the discussion seems to be around which War of 1812. However the intended topic was the Anglo-American or could we say Anglo Canadian war?

Consequences. The Federalist Party survives. I suspect that this would be an antecedent of the no war scenario as a Federalist government would reach an agreement with Britain.

One consequence might have been an Anglo-American war at a later stage over the 49th parallel or the Trent incident and possibly no support for the Monroe doctrine although it was in Britains interests.

The war in Europe may well have ended more quickly possibly with some American help i.e the six frigates may have hunted French privateers but the Royal Navy and British Army would be able to use more resources in Europe

There may well have been some Indian wars which may have resulted in Jackson and Crockett strating their political careers anyway. With no Britain to worry about the Cree and Shawnee nations would have been defeated more easily.

Canada would have probably have been formed due to some subsequent tensions with the United States, many Candians were Empire loyalists
 
Well, if the POD is, say, A Federalist being elected in place of Madison, I can easily see not having a War of 1812. If friendly relations with UK continue, we can expect the US to move against French territory (possibly, though not strictly, allied with Canadian troops). The US would most definitely take Louisiana (with New Orleans). It may also nab Florida while Spain allies with France (the puppet government, at least). Ensuing tensions might cause friction with New Spain (Mexico). I'd expect a Canada reaching further south in the west, and a more Caribbean/Latin America USA. Russian Alaska might come out of it too, if Britain doesn't make the purchase (if the sale isn't butterflied away, which it may well be).
 
possibly no support for the Monroe doctrine although it was in Britains interests.

You seem to have this back to front. Historically, Canning approached the Americans with a proposition that the two powers issue a joint declaration that neither government would allow the former colonies of South America to be transferred to another power. Safe in the knowledge that Britain, and hence the Royal Navy, would oppose European intervention, Monroe took an independent stance to avoid "coming in as a cock-boat in the wake of the British man of war" as Adams advised.

I personally feel the most immediately noticeable effect of the War of 1812 would have been at Waterloo- just think of all those famous Peninsular regiments (1/5th, 1/7th, 1/9th, 1/40th, 1/43rd, 1/57th, 1/88th...) being available for service in Belgium rather than halfway round the world.
 
Well, if the POD is, say, A Federalist being elected in place of Madison, I can easily see not having a War of 1812.. . . The US would most definitely take Louisiana (with New Orleans). It may also nab Florida while Spain allies with France (the puppet government, at least).

Isn't your POD already post-Louisiana Purchase?
 
Isn't your POD already post-Louisiana Purchase?

The purchase was made in 1803, though wasn't exactly official yet being the US didn't pay France until some years later(after Napoleon had come and gone).

Not that a minor detail like that was going to stop people from moving west.
 
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