WI: No "The Most Dangerous Enemy" by Stephen Bungay

The Most Dangerous Enemy is a book in which the author sets about "Challenging virtually every time-honoured myth and assumption about Britain's victory, the book questions the traditional myth of an
amateurish, honourable British "Few" up against a pitiless and regimented German war machine." - Amazon.co.uk

The author uses a wide range of source material in this well written, well researched book in an attempt to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is correct in his analysis and theory. This book is often cited on this and other forums when discussions about the Battle of Britain are raised and is considered by some as the definative work on the subject, the one book that should be owned.

SO THE QUESTION I HAVE IS: Would peoples attitudes be different with regards to the BoB if this book had not been written??

The subtitle of the book is "A History of the Battle of Britain" which in my own opinion is not entirely true. This is less of a history book and more in line with a legal argument ... the author is using evidence to prove his case. It is not a recollection of the historical events but a series of carefully selected facts and and statistics which the author fits into his analysis which leads the reader down the path the author wants them to take. The unfortunate thing is that this book is not particularly balanced, it looks at things from just one angle.

For example the topic of combat claims is raised, on the one hand the author states that this is understandable on the part of the RAF due to the "fog of war" then suggests that Luftwaffe over claims were in part due to fraudulent reporting. There is no evidence provided to back up either claim whether it is correct or not. The author also states that over-claims are regularly 2:1 but with clever manipulation (something the author is good at) it can be proved that the RAF over claims were almost 3:1 (from 10th July to 11th August the author says that there were 216 German aircraft destroyed in combat; actual RAF claims for the same period including confirmed, unconfirmed and duplicate claims is somewhere in the region of 600). The author also says that the German pilots were glory hunters, considering themselves as nights of the air and that RAF pilots didn't care about the number of kills they had and yet in a later chapter he contradicts this statement by saying RAF pilots would chase after damaged Luftwaffe aircraft to get the 'Kill'.

Another example relates to German intelligence reports at the beginning of the battle and how this proves the Germans were incompetent. The author takes four points raised in a report produced on 16th July whereas the report actually includes more than twenty separate statements. Having read a translation of the report it is clear that the author has chosen carefully which parts to summarise and in the process twisting the facts to suit his theory:

From the book -
"Both the Hurricane and Spitfire were inferior to the Bf109F (which was not yet in production) and only a skilfully handled Spitfire was better than the Bf110."
From the report -
"In view of the combat performance and the fact that they are not yet equipped with cannon guns both types are inferior to the Me109, while the individual Me110 is inferior to skilfully handled Spitfires."
It must be remembered that from combat experience the German's would be partially correct in this assumption, the only time the two types had met in serious combat was over France and Belgium and following the Battle of France the performance of both the Hurricane and Spitfire were increased by improving the propellers and introducing a higher grade fuel.

From the book -
"The number of operational airfields in Southern England was severely limited."
From the report -
"In the ground organisation there is a considerable number of airstrips in the southern part of the island and in some areas of the north. However, only a limited number can be considered as operational airfields with modern maintenance and supply installations. In general, the well-equipped airfields are used as take-off and landing bases, while the numerous smaller airfields located in the vicinity serve as alternate landing grounds and rest bases."
In my opinion the German report is correct and the version in the book is a misrepresentation of what appears in the report. The report says there were a considerable number of airstrips with only a limited number being operational ... there may have been 40 or 50 airfields identified in the south but only 9 of those were sector stations, the main operational hubs. This is a limited number just 20-25%. The author has summarised this by saying the Germans believed there were a SEVERLY limited number which is incorrect.

From the book -
"The British aircraft industry was producing 180-300 frontline fighters a month (the true figure for July was 496) and would decrease."
From the report -
"At present the British aircraft industry produces 180-300 first line fighters and 140 first line bombers a month. In view of the present conditions relating to production (the appearance of raw material difficulties, the disruption or breakdown of production and factories owing to air attacks, the increased vulnerability to air attack owing to the fundamental reorganisation of the aircraft industry now in progress), it is believed that for the time being output will decrease rather than increase."
I believe the estimates regarding British fighter production are not wrong as such, just outdated. If the June figures for production are available (the latest at the time of the report) the average production rate over the previous six months would have been 250 fighters per month, if production figures were only available from May (the first month the British broke through the 300 per month mark) then the average over the previous six months would have been 190 fighters per month. By throwing in the production figure for July, a figure that no one could have known at the time of the report, the author of the book is manipulating the evidence, yet again, to prove his theory. As for the decrease in production predicted by the Germans this did actually happen and it would not be until Feb 1941 that the production rates would be back up to the figure achieved in July 1940. The average production rate of fighters for the six months following July were in the region of 420 per month.

In document WP (40) 427: Second Report on the Ministry of Aircraft production it states for September 1940
"We lost 300 machines as compared with August output" in relation to production of all aircraft types. It also goes on to say that one of the biggest worries is not from direct attack but from the time lost during air raid warnings where some factories were losing 50% of their production time."
From the book -
"Command at all levels was inflexible, with fighters being rigidly tied to their home bases, and station commanders were non-flyers (most flew regularly)."
From the report -
"Command at high level is inflexible in its organisation and strategy. As formations are rigidly attached to their home bases, command at medium level suffers mainly from operations being controlled in most cases by officers no longer accustomed to flying (station commanders). Command at low level is generally energetic but lacks tactical skill."
The above seems to be a good assessment of the experience gained in the skies above France, the main source of the Luftwaffe's knowledge at the time of the report. It was also contrary to the way the Germans did things. As history would prove, this rigidity in the command and control structure would be one of the RAF's greatest assets. To the Luftwaffe this concept was alien and therefore, in their eyes at least, flawed. Why the author of the book had to emphasise the incorrect statement that station commanders were non-flyers is just another example of his need to bend the truth to suit his theory. The German report says that station commanders are no longer accustomed to flying NOT that they were non-flyers. In fact this is true, station commanders rarely took part in operational flying except as observers. The Germans felt this was a weakness because it meant that those devising the everyday tactics were out of touch. What they didn't realise was that once the enemy was sighted it was the low level commanders (the squadron and flight leaders) that determined how the enemy should be engaged. They were the ones adapting and modifying the tactics as their experience grew.
 
The term "historian" is quite subjective. The last book that I read written by a historian said that Chuck Yeager dropped from a B-52 into his X-1. The opinions of historians are just that, no more or less. Thanks for the tip. I haven't read the book, and now, I don't have to bother. Historians document history, and readers form opinions where I come from.
 
The term "historian" is quite subjective. The last book that I read written by a historian said that Chuck Yeager dropped from a B-52 into his X-1. The opinions of historians are just that, no more or less. Thanks for the tip. I haven't read the book, and now, I don't have to bother. Historians document history, and readers form opinions where I come from.
I read that first part as 'Chuck Yeager dropped a B-52 from his X-1.'
 
Some people just feel better tearing down the achievements of others. It's not the first book I've seen that does such a thing.


The term "historian" is quite subjective. The last book that I read written by a historian said that Chuck Yeager dropped from a B-52 into his X-1. The opinions of historians are just that, no more or less. Thanks for the tip. I haven't read the book, and now, I don't have to bother. Historians document history, and readers form opinions where I come from.


As for the other, I can only say as a joke "well, the B-52 and B-29 were made by the same company".
 
Some people just feel better tearing down the achievements of others. It's not the first book I've seen that does such a thing.





As for the other, I can only say as a joke "well, the B-52 and B-29 were made by the same company".

What about a photo caption which states a Boeing Clipper is flying over the Golden Gate bridge, under construction. I have a nice photo of the Boeing flying over the completed bridge, while the Martin Clipper actually depicted was still a clipper, but not a Boeing.

Trust no one! 'ceptin' me, o'course. I've never been wrong. I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
 
This is all well and good :p but the question still remains ... Would peoples attitude to the events of the BoB be different if this book had not been written?
 
Every history ever written can be critised. Bias is a natural human trait and even the best hsitorians can let it creap in. Would you consider this history a polmec? is it of value? did the author add new insight? Just as written history has to try and estabish a balanced view so should critique.
On the whole all the points made would seem to have some merit but can they be interpeted differently. German intellegence anlysis was not infallible, in fact IMHO, their appreciation of British Air Defence in 1939/40 contained some remarkable misconceptions.
 
Every history ever written can be critised. Bias is a natural human trait and even the best hsitorians can let it creap in. Would you consider this history a polmec? is it of value? did the author add new insight? Just as written history has to try and estabish a balanced view so should critique.
On the whole all the points made would seem to have some merit but can they be interpeted differently. German intellegence anlysis was not infallible, in fact IMHO, their appreciation of British Air Defence in 1939/40 contained some remarkable misconceptions.
No, I don't think I would consider this book a polemic ... as I said it seems to be conducted in the style of a legal argument. The author has a case to prove (he even uses those words at one stage) and he uses selective arguments, facts and sources to do this.

As for German intelligence I can not disagree with you that there were some remarkable misconceptions, for example the belief that the Chain Home staff were situated in underground bunkers ... what I do disagree with though is the way the author bends the truth and interprets facts to make his case more credible.
 
please do not get me wrong, I happen to agree with you regarding this book but I would not dismiss it or the auguements raised within it, by it's very nature it causes hitorians to re-examine the evidence and appraise the arguements on their validity. That can be no bad thing.
 
This book is often cited on this and other forums when discussions about the Battle of Britain are raised and is considered by some as the definative work on the subject, the one book that should be owned.

SO THE QUESTION I HAVE IS: Would peoples attitudes be different with regards to the BoB if this book had not been written??

Well, the work in question was published in 2001, so it's not like there isn't a rich and untainted body of BoB knowledge on Usenet & AOL.
 
Though not nearly as extensive, it still makes many of the same points:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Battle-Britain-Myth-Reality/dp/0393322971
As this book by Richard Overy is also an analysis of events rather than a historical account of events published after The Most Dangerous Enemy is it possible that it took some of its influence from Stephen Bungay's work?

This is why I asked the question ... would Richard Overy have published his book regardless of the appearance of The Most Dangerous Enemy?
 
would Richard Overy have published his book regardless of the appearance of The Most Dangerous Enemy?

He's a tenured prof who in 1976 wrote a bio of the industrialist who manufactured the Spitfire; wrote a history called 'The Air War: 1939-1945' in 1980; and a bio of Goering in 1984.

Oh, and his BoB history? 2000.
 
He's a tenured prof who in 1976 wrote a bio of the industrialist who manufactured the Spitfire; wrote a history called 'The Air War: 1939-1945' in 1980; and a bio of Goering in 1984.

Oh, and his BoB history? 2000.
The Most Dangerous Enemy was first published on August 5th 2000 ...

Richard Overy's book as you rightly pointed out was first published in January 2000, I guess my confusion came from the fact that it was first published under a different title.
 
AFAIK, Richard Ovet's book 'The Battle of Britain Myth and Realty' was published in 2000 and so is comtemporaneous with the work published by Bungy. John Ray first published 'The Battle of Britain, Dowding and the First Victory ,1940' in 1994 and reissued it as 'The Battle of Britain New Perpectives, Behind the scenes of the Great Air War' in 1999. So a lot of re-evaluation of the BoB was taking place at the same time. How much influence can be asscribed to any one work is debatable. How influential for instance is the monograpth 'The Battle Re-Thought' published after the 50th aniversiry symposium?
 

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AFAIK, Richard Ovet's book 'The Battle of Britain Myth and Realty' was published in 2000 and so is comtemporaneous with the work published by Bungy. John Ray first published 'The Battle of Britain, Dowding and the First Victory ,1940' in 1994 and reissued it as 'The Battle of Britain New Perpectives, Behind the scenes of the Great Air War' in 1999. So a lot of re-evaluation of the BoB was taking place at the same time. How much influence can be asscribed to any one work is debatable. How influential for instance is the monograpth 'The Battle Re-Thought' published after the 50th aniversiry symposium?

If not Bungay, someone else would have published a revisionist history because we have a post-Cold War interest in WW2 thanks to the opening of the Soviet and East German archives. Without a major enemy and current threat the West was thinking more and more about its moral position in the post-Cold War world and their self perceived morality stemmed from WW2; with that market about the war, there needed to be new controversial books to generate interest in well worn topics to be able to sell. Revisionist histories basically were the only open area left in WW2 history, so something as monumental as the BoB was going to get a lot of new perspectives from someone due to being some well known and open to revision of the traditional narrative, which was pretty much based on propaganda to inflate the scale of British victory.
 
AFAIK, Richard Ovet's book 'The Battle of Britain Myth and Realty' was published in 2000 and so is comtemporaneous with the work published by Bungy. John Ray first published 'The Battle of Britain, Dowding and the First Victory ,1940' in 1994 and reissued it as 'The Battle of Britain New Perpectives, Behind the scenes of the Great Air War' in 1999. So a lot of re-evaluation of the BoB was taking place at the same time. How much influence can be asscribed to any one work is debatable. How influential for instance is the monograpth 'The Battle Re-Thought' published after the 50th aniversiry symposium?
With regards to "The Battle Re-Thought" I've always found Air Chief Marshall Sir Christopher Foxley-Norris's introduction to the Symposium to be fascinating ...
...As the original author, I will tell you one thing about the exercise which I hope will give you food for thought. I was detached as a member of the Directing Staff to write a big appreciation exercise on the Battle of Britain, and after a week I sought an interview with the Assistant Commandant. I said, 'I am awfully sorry, but I have applied all the usual considerations to the exercise - such as factors affecting attainment of the aim, and the balance of forces - and the Germans must win. What do I do?' He said, 'Go and fudge it!' So I did, and it has been fudged ever since.
 

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With regards to "The Battle Re-Thought" I've always found Air Chief Marshall Sir Christopher Foxley-Norris's introduction to the Symposium to be fascinating ...

That is interesting, because from what I've read about post-war wargaming by the RAF indicated the Germans couldn't win under any circumstances.
 
That is interesting, because from what I've read about post-war wargaming by the RAF indicated the Germans couldn't win under any circumstances.
Maybe you should get a copy of the Symposium notes they make for interesting reading. I would attach it here but the file is too big ... grrrrr
 
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