WI: No Taiwan

It's not a hard POD. The Communist invasion of Taiwan succeeds, and all of China is united under the Communists.

What effects does this have? From what I know, the Communist-American relationship was impaired by the existence of Taiwan. Without Taiwan, what happens to that? Korean War? Everything else?
 
It's not a hard POD. The Communist invasion of Taiwan succeeds, and all of China is united under the Communists.

What effects does this have? From what I know, the Communist-American relationship was impaired by the existence of Taiwan. Without Taiwan, what happens to that? Korean War? Everything else?

Well, that butterflies me out of existance. :p

But it's gonna be interesting. Assuming everything else goes as OTL, the general Sino-American relationship has one less pressure point holding them back.
 
Well, that butterflies me out of existance. :p

But it's gonna be interesting. Assuming everything else goes as OTL, the general Sino-American relationship has one less pressure point holding them back.

What were the main pressure points again? Other than the Chinese being Communists and the Americans not being Communists :D :p ?
 

TFSmith121

Banned
How and when?

It's not a hard POD. The Communist invasion of Taiwan succeeds, and all of China is united under the Communists.

What effects does this have? From what I know, the Communist-American relationship was impaired by the existence of Taiwan. Without Taiwan, what happens to that? Korean War? Everything else?

How and when?

The PRC didn't have anything approximating a navy to match the ROCN, much less the USN, in 1945 and afterward...

Best,
 
How and when?

The PRC didn't have anything approximating a navy to match the ROCN, much less the USN, in 1945 and afterward...

Best,

In that case, may I ask how the PRC managed to take over Hainan?

I don't see why there should be any major logistical differences between Hainan and Taiwan.
 
What were the main pressure points again? Other than the Chinese being Communists and the Americans not being Communists :D :p ?

Well...

- Taiwan had a permanent seat on the UNSC for one, until the early 70s. The PRC wasn't recognized by the US until the seat was removed.

- Even though the US 'removed' recognition of Taiwan, they still have that fleet guarding China from...what appears to be the rest of China. :p

- And of course, idealogy. Though that one is basically down for the count, as the transitions have shown.
 

TFSmith121

Banned
The distance is much greater from the mainland to

In that case, may I ask how the PRC managed to take over Hainan?

I don't see why there should be any major logistical differences between Hainan and Taiwan.

The distance is much greater from the mainland to Taiwan;
There was a guerilla force on Hainan, and nothing comparable on Taiwan;
The US 7th Fleet was in place to protect Taiwan, but was not deployed to protect Hainan.

Other than that, it's exactly the same.

Best,
 
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The distance is much greater from the mainland to Taiwan;
There was a guerilla force on Hainan, and nothing comparable on Tainwan;
The US 7th Fleet was in place to protect Taiwan, but was not deployed to protect Hainan.

Other than that, it's exactly the same.

Best,

They didn't need to. If there were negotiations in place, swapping North Korea for Taiwan (IIRC, like in The East is Red), all that necessary is landing.
 
I probably wouldn't be here so screw you Mao.

Meh, I don't think anybody likes Mao. I'm hoping that more U.S. influence or no Korean War means that Mao doesn't gain as much power.

They didn't need to. If there were negotiations in place, swapping North Korea for Taiwan (IIRC, like in The East is Red), all that necessary is landing.

Ah, that's right.

The distance is much greater from the mainland to Taiwan;
There was a guerilla force on Hainan, and nothing comparable on Tainwan;
The US 7th Fleet was in place to protect Taiwan, but was not deployed to protect Hainan.

Other than that, it's exactly the same.

Best,

In that case, may I ask how the PRC managed to take over Hainan?

I don't see why there should be any major logistical differences between Hainan and Taiwan.

How and when?

The PRC didn't have anything approximating a navy to match the ROCN, much less the USN, in 1945 and afterward...

Best,

The POD should probably be the Battle of Guningtou, after which the ROCN fails (for whatever reason). Mainlander invasion succeeds, so it's classified as part of the Chinese Civil War (1949-1950-ish).

Well...

- Taiwan had a permanent seat on the UNSC for one, until the early 70s. The PRC wasn't recognized by the US until the seat was removed.

- Even though the US 'removed' recognition of Taiwan, they still have that fleet guarding China from...what appears to be the rest of China. :p

- And of course, idealogy. Though that one is basically down for the count, as the transitions have shown.
1 and 2 wouldn't apply in this circumstance, so that leaves three. Eh, Soviet-hate?
 
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