WI no storm on Dec 1798?

In December 1798 Wolfe Tone had an army ready to invade Ireland,.. But the ships had to retreat because of a storm.

WI the weather ahd been alright?
 
It might have taken the British slightly longer to put down the United Irishmen's rebellion...but they would have eventually. And the longer it takes, probably the harsher the British come down on the Irish.

Actually, this could have significant effects. Any chance it could prevent or delay the 1801 Union?
 
Who's Wolfe Tone?

Theobald Wolfe Tone was a 18th century Irish revolutionary who wound up i exile, fighting for Irish Independence. Captured during the 1798 rebellion and committed suicide shortly before his execution.

What? No-one's interested?:(

Patience, my friend. Its only been 24 hours.

Personally, if you can get the entirety of the french forces assigned to the invasion ashore, then they can give the british a great deal of trouble. Of course, getting them to Ireland isnt the easiest of propositions...
 
It could have been done though. The French navy did manage to land 1,000 men under Gen. Humbert on the west coast that was a major problem until it was defeated. And this was a full two mounths after the rebellion had begun.
 
It might have taken the British slightly longer to put down the United Irishmen's rebellion...but they would have eventually. And the longer it takes, probably the harsher the British come down on the Irish.

Actually, this could have significant effects. Any chance it could prevent or delay the 1801 Union?

As I understand it, the threats and landings in the late 1790s were the cause of the 1801 Union as a way of more closely binding and securing control over Ireland since the local elites as represented by the Dublin Parliament had lost control and were even somewhat suspect. The cracks in the unity of the Protestants alone made it important to make changes.

Therefore it depends I think on just how successful the Rising is, but I suspect that the Union would be considered necessary in all cases - the weaker English (British) rule is, the more necessary to remove challenger institutions, dilute dissent and also make some effort at redirecting identity to the 'home country'.

On the other hand, as one Alternate Historian has written of a putative 1796 success, a successful Irish Revolution may see the casting off of control from London, all the more since this would be a Protestant-Catholic government. I personally am not so sure - Ireland would be difficult to support from France and thus could well have become a chip to be bargained away in return for French India or Canada at either Amiens or more likely an earlier Peace Treaty (England having been forced to the table by catastrophic defeat). An Ireland standing on its own might fend off the initial attempts at reconquest but the future would be problematic with a large and hostile neighbour - much like Hetmanate Ukraine vis-a-vis the Bolsheviks or Third-Partition-Poland in that time period.

A successful Irish Revolution of 1798 may have a more telling impact on the political scene in England - there were financial difficulties and the manouvering between the Whigs and Tories, and between Young Pitt and Fox. My instinct is that even if the English were defeated, it would have resulted in even less willingness to make concessions, and that a future reconquest would have left Catholics with little rights in Ireland or in Britain. However, the nature of the Irish Republic, as a secular-national-based entity rather than a sectarian-nation-based one, would have made the country ungovernable by the means hitherto and IOTL used. If you can't rely on the Protestants to hold the country for the Hanoverians, there's little you can do.

This will likely bat away Catholic Emancipation and affect this affects Politics for the first third of the century. A larger army tied down in Ireland reduces the ability to make war on the continent, in North America, and possibly later colonialism. Australia becomes a more Irish country with a deeper sense of nationalism if it is settled by Irish transported from a country with a sense of nationhood made reality. It might bring the Revolution of 1848 to Britain and earlier - an Ireland reconquered by force adds to Scottish and Welsh fusions of Celtic nationhood and working-and-middle-class political reformism (Peterloo and Ballymuir), and, with sectarianism driven underground as a political question, maybe a greater consciousness of the Hanoverian Repression takes hold, greater sympathy of the workingman of Britain with the freedom-loving people of France as the enemy of the ruling classes of England, with stronger calls for reform of suffrage. All the elements leading to a picture of a regime that can only be removed by fundamental change of the sort practised in France (and England {as the Civil War was largely fought over what to do to the King of England - their Parliament levied war, their judges executed him, they went into Scotland and Ireland to harry the supporters of the King of England} only a century and a half earlier)
 
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