WI No Russian Eastward Expansion?

NapoleonXIV

Banned
WI Russia, for one reason or another, never expands beyond the Urals. Does the Mongol Empire still hold sway there today? Does it break up into several smaller tribal kingdoms? Does China expand into the area? And what happens to a Russia without Siberia?
 

MarkA

It depends why Russia did not expand eastwards. It is human nature to expand, to be a frontier society and seek new opportunites. If it was not we would still all be in Africa.

If a large powerful state existed east of the Urals and either defeated Russian expansion or subjegated the country then that would be the reason no Russian expansion took place. Difficult to see exactly how this would occur.
 

Expat

I think the best you can manage is a delay rather than a full stop. Certainly enough turmoil can be thought up to keep the Russian state unstable through, say, the 17th century.
(Off the top of my head, the Ottomans advance through the Caucasus rather than the Balkans forcing the Russians to defend their southern border. You get a more stable Eastern Europe and a stronger Poland keeps Russian strength pinned in the West.)
China would probably nibble a bit, perhaps Persia. But it would likely remain otherwise decentralized and tribal until the Russians get their act together.
Certainly by the 18th century there's no way, barring the collapse of the Russian state, that Siberia would still be free.
You can weaken Russia's grip but you cannot shake it free.
 

rcduggan

the Mongols never had direct dominance in much of Siberia, I made a thread about this. without the Russians, the Sakha might eventually be able to form their own kingdom, or possibly the Qing or Ming might expand north eventually, if just to establish protectorates.
 

Gladi

Bright day
Russian expansion eastwards was not independant movemement. I think you would have to cripple Russia to stop its expansion.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top
Top