WI: No Russian Bloody Sunday?

Coulsdon Eagle

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Repeat After Me:
1. The Tsar wasn't even in Saint Petersburg during at the time.
2. He never gave orders to fire on the marchers.
3. That was done independently by the garrison of the Winter Palace.

True, but given that the Tsar was deemed to be all powerful by many of those marching, those on the ground would not believe that troops would act without orders from Nicholas II.

Not sure if the discussion between Witte & Nicholas set in the film Nicholas & Alexandra after Bloody Sunday actually took place, but when the Tsar was asked if he would have met the protesters or given in to their requests / demands, he said of course not.
 
Repeat After Me:
1. The Tsar wasn't even in Saint Petersburg during at the time.
2. He never gave orders to fire on the marchers.
3. That was done independently by the garrison of the Winter Palace.
So what if he is in Saint Petersburg and meets with the demonstrators representatives and agrees to attempt some reforms?
 
So what if he is in Saint Petersburg and meets with the demonstrators representatives and agrees to attempt some reforms?

You would need different Nicholas II. He was very stubborn man who believed that his power comes from God and him has absolute right rule the people. Even in OTL there had been several strikes and violent riots before he accepted new constitution and foundation of Duma. And even that didn't change much if anything.
 

raharris1973

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Did Bloody Sunday mark the beginning of substantial revolutionary activity, and the establishment of Soviets and the like, or had that begun earlier?

If it had not begun earlier, might disturbances in 1905 not have gotten to that level? If domestic disturbances seem less severe will Nicholas bill committed to reinforcing the Far East to avenge the Japanese sneak attack at Port Arthur? Could the Russians counterattack and push the Japanese back into Korea, or even beat them there?
 
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