WI: No Rout of Nicopolis (1396)

Before Nicopolis, Siggie was engaged to Margaret of Brieg, princess from Silesian branch of Piast dynasty. Most likely, he'll just stick to this engagement and marry her.
Interesting, I did not know that. Could be interesting to see the Luxemburg males survive into another generation.
 
Interesting.

Moving BACK to Europe, what effects might it have there? I imagine if Nicopolis happens differently, the future Emperor Sigmund might not make his OTL oath to marry the count of Celje's daughter in gratitude for him saving sigmund's hide. Which means Siggie might marry differently (to a more fertile bride from a less psychotic family).

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I wonder if oldest daughter of John the Fearless would be possible? She was older than Barbara of Cili, so that seems not impossible.
Also, if Sigismund had sons by the time he is elected King of the Romans he'd not ceede Brandenburg to Hohenzollerns.
 
I wonder if oldest daughter of John the Fearless would be possible? She was older than Barbara of Cili, so that seems not impossible.
Also, if Sigismund had sons by the time he is elected King of the Romans he'd not ceede Brandenburg to Hohenzollerns.
According to peoplepill, Sigmund was in talks to marry a daughter of Philippe of Burgundy or Giovanna (II) of Naples. However, the Neapolitan court seems to have refused him outright. And Siggie like Margarethe of Brieg/Masovia well enough that he had barely met her when they were engaged.
 
Interesting, I did not know that. Could be interesting to see the Luxemburg males survive into another generation.
Yes, and they could also get Poland - if Sigismund had sons, younger one would replace Frederick Hohenzollern as markgrave of Brandenburg and most likely become a groom for Hedwig, Jogaila's daughter with Anna of Celje. He'd be most likely older than Frederick, so he could marry her sooner. Jogaila, being a genuine ally of Sigismund won't marry Sophia of Halshany, but he'd marry Wenceslaus's IV widow, in exchange for Silesia returning to Poland (Siggie proposed this IOTL).
 
Yes, and they could also get Poland - if Sigismund had sons, younger one would replace Frederick Hohenzollern as markgrave of Brandenburg and most likely become a groom for Hedwig, Jogaila's daughter with Anna of Celje. He'd be most likely older than Frederick, so he could marry her sooner. Jogaila, being a genuine ally of Sigismund won't marry Sophia of Halshany, but he'd marry Wenceslaus's IV widow, in exchange for Silesia returning to Poland (Siggie proposed this IOTL).
If Sigismund had daughter born around 1400 and spare sons besides her then Jogaila himself may marry that Luxembourg princess instead of Elżbieta Granowska.
 
Yes, but it depends of amount of kids of Sigismund and their gender and it depends on OP's will.
How about six - three sons, three daughters? Eldest son is emperor/king of Bohemia, second can be king of Hungary, third as elector of Brandenburg and spouse of Hedwig of Poland?
 
How about six - three sons, three daughters? Eldest son is emperor/king of Bohemia, second can be king of Hungary, third as elector of Brandenburg and spouse of Hedwig of Poland?
I think that eldest son would most likely get Hungary, as it's the strongest Luxembourg realm and it's hereditary. Second son would become betrothed of Hedwig of Poland and possibly it's future king, and third would get Bohemia.
 
I think that eldest son would most likely get Hungary, as it's the strongest Luxembourg realm and it's hereditary. Second son would become betrothed of Hedwig of Poland and possibly it's future king, and third would get Bohemia.
The reason I suggested the partition as such was because Bohemia carries the electoral vote, whereas Hungary doesn't. Ofc, you could wind up with one son inheriting Hungary, Bohemia and the empire; the second with Poland-Brandenburg and the third getting the Low Countries inheritance (Elisabeth of Luxemburg's presence won't affect this, since her dad got the Netherlandish inheritance from a childless uncle in a similar fashion).
 
I wonder if oldest daughter of John the Fearless would be possible? She was older than Barbara of Cili, so that seems not impossible.
Also, if Sigismund had sons by the time he is elected King of the Romans he'd not ceede Brandenburg to Hohenzollerns.
The cession of Brandenburg had little to do with Sigismund's familiar affairs, but the general inability to rule it properly since he got it, lack of funds (meaning debt) and a desire to pacify anti-Luxemburg princes. Frederick of Nuremberg was both rich enough to pay for Brandenburg as well as a former partisan of Ruprecht of the Palatinate, who usurped the Luxemburgs from Sigismund's brother Wenzel, by selling the electorate to him Sigismund got a relief from his ever increasing debt as well as a strong ally inside the Empire.
 
Wow, taking the war right to Hungary's doorstep. I imagine that would raise more than a few hackles, no?
Invasion of Hungary is not really likely other than raiding it. The important part is if Hungary can hold on Belgrade. If they can, Hungary can be defended. If they can't, the South of the Kingdom is exposed. Serbia, North of Nis and Sandzak region and South of the Danube-Sava River would be the primary front. Bosnia will be the secondary front. Results may affect how it changes (front moves to Vidin and Kosovo if Hungary is successful, to the Sava River and Croatia if the Ottomans are successful.
 
The reason I suggested the partition as such was because Bohemia carries the electoral vote, whereas Hungary doesn't. Ofc, you could wind up with one son inheriting Hungary, Bohemia and the empire; the second with Poland-Brandenburg and the third getting the Low Countries inheritance (Elisabeth of Luxemburg's presence won't affect this, since her dad got the Netherlandish inheritance from a childless uncle in a similar fashion).
But electoral vote doesn't guarantee one to be elected Emperor.
 
But electoral vote doesn't guarantee one to be elected Emperor.
This is true. And the Luxemburgs tended to not be as frateranlly loyal as the Habsburgs were, so even controlling two or three (Brandenburg, Bohemia and maybe a Luxemburg scion in one of the episcopal electorates) electoral votes through family members might not make much difference.

Invasion of Hungary is not really likely other than raiding it. The important part is if Hungary can hold on Belgrade. If they can, Hungary can be defended. If they can't, the South of the Kingdom is exposed. Serbia, North of Nis and Sandzak region and South of the Danube-Sava River would be the primary front. Bosnia will be the secondary front. Results may affect how it changes (front moves to Vidin and Kosovo if Hungary is successful, to the Sava River and Croatia if the Ottomans are successful.
Interesting. And could the Hungarians hold onto Belgrade? Was the Hungarian army in a fit state to do so? Were the Ottoman army in a fit state to take it?
 
This is true. And the Luxemburgs tended to not be as frateranlly loyal as the Habsburgs were, so even controlling two or three (Brandenburg, Bohemia and maybe a Luxemburg scion in one of the episcopal electorates) electoral votes through family members might not make much difference.



Interesting. And could the Hungarians hold onto Belgrade? Was the Hungarian army in a fit state to do so? Were the Ottoman army in a fit state to take it?
They were in 1456. Holding it is not really an issue. Defending a fortified settlements has a bigger advantage than the enemy trying to take it.
 
Interesting. And could the Hungarians hold onto Belgrade? Was the Hungarian army in a fit state to do so? Were the Ottoman army in a fit state to take it?
Most probably, it held all the way into the 1500s, Sigismund also not only relied on the fortress of Belgrade (and several others across Banat and Croatia, but also a series of buffers in Serbia, Bosnia and Wallachia.
 
Yes, and they could also get Poland - if Sigismund had sons, younger one would replace Frederick Hohenzollern as markgrave of Brandenburg and most likely become a groom for Hedwig, Jogaila's daughter with Anna of Celje. He'd be most likely older than Frederick, so he could marry her sooner. Jogaila, being a genuine ally of Sigismund won't marry Sophia of Halshany, but he'd marry Wenceslaus's IV widow, in exchange for Silesia returning to Poland (Siggie proposed this IOTL).
It is either a marriage to her or Princess Elizabeth of Luxembourg, the OTL Countess of Luxembourg will return Silesia.
 
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