They've still got huge numbers of Turks. They still live there, form ghettos, etc...I don't know anything about that - what happened in Germany?
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Would be way too expensive I'd think back then (though today working class jobs often do bring in a lot more money than middle class ones). Surely Switzerland hasn't had this since the war?Once again I ask - what about the Swiss option? A possibility in the UK? Or no? If no, is it just the wealth question - not enough money for Swiss style Champagne Socialism?
They didn't bring skills to Britain.TheMann said:I think there is one point that most have missed here - those immigrants brought connections back to their homelands, and brought skills to Britain. If those skills and connections stay in the colonies, does that help development there?
They've still got huge numbers of Turks. They still live there, form ghettos, etc...
All the problems as with the worst of the worst low class Pakistani communities in Britain.
The only difference is they're not actually counted as German.
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Would be way too expensive I'd think back then (though today working class jobs often do bring in a lot more money than middle class ones). Surely Switzerland hasn't had this since the war?
Well, it's a lot easier to take the moral high ground when you haven't lived alongside another race for years yourself...although even in the 1940s London had a fairly large nonwhite population...
What if there were simply no attempts to solve the labour shortage?
Let the labour market re-organise with the new reduced supply.
Some industries would fold but in the long term atleast that might not be a bad thing.
Laws don´t execute themselves. After their time was up, many simply wanted to stay and because of certain issues in Germanys past no politican back then dared to actually make them leave again. Instead they were allowed to bring their families along, too. While officially they were still called guest workers, so no one left or right worried about integration. Not out loud anyway.I don't understand, if they are guest workers shouldn't they leave when their time is up? I'm thinking like when I was a young man and went to visit Australia from England - It was possible to get a visa permitting me to work for a fixed period of time and then when it was up I had to leave. It seemed both fair and equitable to me.
Indeed, but it would really have hurt in the short-term, and of course much more political cloud for the workers. And the Empire gone more quickly, with less remorse.
I think maybe even a Socialist Britain could've been possible in those circumstances.
It's about the closest we got, but I'd still say social-democratic, not socialist. There was no attempt made, nor any demand to attempt, a subversion of the established democratic institutions, in the name of the people, the workers or anyone else.Its possible, but unlikely I think. Well unless you consider Britain under Atlee to be socialist.
As I see it there would be greater blows to Britain's prestige as areas such as Empire and defence get cut, but on the whole that doesn't really effect the average Briton. Demolishing Britain's craft-based industry and replacing it with something more like the American/German model would have been profitable in the medium to long term. Workers having more rights might be profitable as well. In OTL neither workers or employers could quite best the other so you had alot of strikes which never really changed anything. In this situation there is likely a big arguement early on but then a settlement rather than on going disputes.
Studies show that "ethnically homogeneous" states, like Spain and Ireland in the post-war years, do not perform as well economically as those countries whic encourage immigration. Would Britain have performed poorly without the immigrants?
The chicken and the Egg. Besides, Spain is not ethnically homogeneous.
Well I wouldn't really call Atlee socialist. I doubt Britain would ever become 'socialist' in any manner beyond the socialism undertaken by the western Europeans. I could see British politics leaning more to the left. Actually.. possibly not. If workers are getting more money for their labour they will be less inclined to have it taxed away to acquire services they don't need (and subsequently don't want).
Well, it's a lot easier to take the moral high ground when you haven't lived alongside another race for years yourself...although even in the 1940s London had a fairly large nonwhite population...