WI: No Poland in the 14th Century

I remember the Dukes of Galicia-Volhynia wanted to get the Duchy of Krakow, what if the Teutons, Duke of Galicia-Volhynia, Yuri and John of Bohemia made a deal to Partition Poland, John of Bohemia gets Greater Poland, Teutons get Kuyavia while Yuri gets Krakow and Sandomierz and Yuri of Galicia, John of Bohemia and the Teutons defeat Wladyslaw the Elbowhigh and Charles Robert of Hungary.

If there is no Poland to be united with what would be the fate of Lithuania in this TL, would this Galicia-Volhynia try to expand to Hungary and later absorb Austria Creating an Austria-Hungary minus Bohemia.
 
This is what I am thinking of
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Well, for a start, Galicia is going to become an economic backwater being so cut off from the coast, so its going to cultivate good relations with Lithuania and/or Moldavia, or else become a puppet of the Rurikids before too long. Maybe it goes for a personal union with Lithuania at some point.

Aside from that, I don't think Bohemia is going to be particularly successful in keeping its new territory - it looks like its doubling in size, and a lot of that land would more likely go to a Baltic sphere of influence for economic reasons - that's why OTL Poland was hampered by independent Prussia: the Vistula is the main outlet for agricultural trade and production in the region, and if the lower reaches are controlled by another power, the hinterland is cut off from capital inflow. A more sustainable model would be for the light-yellow bit in the northeast (I'm not good at reading Polish) to go to the Teutons, and maybe Bohemia gets the Brandenburger gain in the northwest. Otherwise, there's going to be a peasant revolt before long and an independent Poland has a chance at restoration - albeit much reduced.
 
Well, for a start, Galicia is going to become an economic backwater being so cut off from the coast, so its going to cultivate good relations with Lithuania and/or Moldavia, or else become a puppet of the Rurikids before too long. Maybe it goes for a personal union with Lithuania at some point.

Aside from that, I don't think Bohemia is going to be particularly successful in keeping its new territory - it looks like its doubling in size, and a lot of that land would more likely go to a Baltic sphere of influence for economic reasons - that's why OTL Poland was hampered by independent Prussia: the Vistula is the main outlet for agricultural trade and production in the region, and if the lower reaches are controlled by another power, the hinterland is cut off from capital inflow. A more sustainable model would be for the light-yellow bit in the northeast (I'm not good at reading Polish) to go to the Teutons, and maybe Bohemia gets the Brandenburger gain in the northwest. Otherwise, there's going to be a peasant revolt before long and an independent Poland has a chance at restoration - albeit much reduced.

I think Posen has a chance to stay under Bohemia since the rivers in Posen flows to Oder, I think the Autonomous Mazovia would control trade in the Baltics they could break their feudal relations with Bohemia and be under Teuton Protection, the TL will be a Pole-screw in the long term.
 
Originally posted by Uhura's Mazda
Well, for a start, Galicia is going to become an economic backwater being so cut off from the coast, so its going to cultivate good relations with Lithuania and/or Moldavia, or else become a puppet of the Rurikids before too long. Maybe it goes for a personal union with Lithuania at some point.

Not necessarily. IOTL Poland made some excellent economic progress under king Casimir III's rule, and it was cut off from any sea at the time.
 
Originally posted by Uhura's Mazda


Not necessarily. IOTL Poland made some excellent economic progress under king Casimir III's rule, and it was cut off from any sea at the time.

Sure, but its a truth generally acknowledged that without first-hand access to maritime trade routes, the economy has a greater tendency towards stagnation, even if top-down policies temporarily reverse the flow. This Galicia is an agrarian economy, surrounded by other agrarian economies: in order to gain a positive balance of trade it really needs to be able to export its grain to the cities of the Mediterranean and/or the Baltic/North Sea. This is why Novgorod was so much more prosperous than, say, Ryazan.
 
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