In the spirit of the upcoming Thanksgiving holiday, how would America have developed if the Puritain colonists had never arrived? The Puritain colonization of New England strikes me as an event that was far from inevitable. Whatever the POD, the cultural, demographic, and political effects are going to be tremendous.
WI No Pilgrims?
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Huge IMO, the pilgrims created the Mayflower compact which was the basis for the American constitution the butterflies theirein will be immense, we may also see a more tolerant society.
Now easiest way for this to occur is butterfly away the Tudors without them No Anglican church Which butterflies away the pilgrims who broke off from the Anglican church, expect less colonizing of the new world, by Britain due to no relegious tension. So less impact less colonies, butterflies away America as we k ow it IMHO.
You don't need a far-reaching POD to prevent the Separatists from sailing.
The big question is who colonizes New England instead of them. It's a fairly worthless piece of land to a colonizing power. You can't grow any cash crops and it's got a horrible climate. The most likely options are an English penal colony to threaten Quebec/fish the Grand Banks, a French penal colony to provide a bulwark/base against the Dutch, or the Dutch slowly colonize it due to its proximity to New Netherland.
A less likely option is that some small European power takes it for prestige. Sweden or Denmark are the two options I can think of off the top of my head.
Even less likely, some other persecuted European religious minority could choose to move there in the wake of the Thirty Years' War. Maybe the Anabaptists, or the Quakers are more severely persecuted in England, driving them to New England?
These options aren't mutually exclusive; the Dutch could easily claim it, then invite in an interested religious minority to keep the French and English out.
The big question is who colonizes New England instead of them. It's a fairly worthless piece of land to a colonizing power. You can't grow any cash crops and it's got a horrible climate. The most likely options are an English penal colony to threaten Quebec/fish the Grand Banks, a French penal colony to provide a bulwark/base against the Dutch, or the Dutch slowly colonize it due to its proximity to New Netherland.
A less likely option is that some small European power takes it for prestige. Sweden or Denmark are the two options I can think of off the top of my head.
Even less likely, some other persecuted European religious minority could choose to move there in the wake of the Thirty Years' War. Maybe the Anabaptists, or the Quakers are more severely persecuted in England, driving them to New England?
These options aren't mutually exclusive; the Dutch could easily claim it, then invite in an interested religious minority to keep the French and English out.
Lolol funny thing is no pilgrim means no Massachusetts, which butterflies away IMO the revoulutionary war. Crap, what huge butterflies no New England way, No sam Adams or even John Adams. Crap that is scary don't ya think
I was writing a nice, insightful post but then I noticed that the title is No Pilgrims while the OP references the Puritains.
A) Puritains? Assuming you mean Puritans:
B) The Puritans and Pilgrims were not the same group, though they were similar. The Pilgrims not emigrating doesn't at all mean that the Puritans won't.
C) In any case, King Philip's War is very different, probably so much so as to be unrecognizable, most likely with a significant impact on colonist/native relations.
A) Puritains?
Assuming you mean Puritans:B) The Puritans and Pilgrims were not the same group, though they were similar. The Pilgrims not emigrating doesn't at all mean that the Puritans won't.
C) In any case, King Philip's War is very different, probably so much so as to be unrecognizable, most likely with a significant impact on colonist/native relations.
Pilgrims in Virginia is a TL I want to read. Would they adopt slavery?
AFAIK, the Puritans that OTL went to the Carribbean and Virginia did not. Also keep in mind that Virginia at that time almost extended to New York. Even if they did land in Virginia proper, they would have more than likely moved away soonest.
PS: IMHO, Pilgrims in Virginia is exceedingly unlikely. My favored scenarios are Long Island, New Jersey, Maryland, or the Shenandoah Valley.
But with Catholic monarchs the Puritans won't be treated much better than under Anglicans.