WI:No partition of Ireland.

Ak-84

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Lets say that instead of the ceasefire and the Anglo-Irish treaty which established the present status quo, Michael Collins is convinced to reject the offer and fight on for a completely independent republic. By this time the rest of the problems in the empire (notably Iraq and Afghanistan) has settled down somewhat and this frees up many troops for duty in Ireland. The British dispach several additional battalions to Ireland, and with these professional regular troops, the uprising is swiftly and decisivly put down.

How would the emerald Isle look? Would there be a N and S Ireland as the 1920 act envisioned. Perhaps the home rule offered before 1914? Or maybe the British decide that the status quo is ok, I mean if the war showed one thing, its that the links to N America is what sustains the UK, and the Irish ports are v v v important in that.

How would it effect relations with the US (historically the essential end of the Irish question improved them), and how would Ireland be?
 
In order to get no partition, IMO, WW1 needs to be butterflied away.
Well, I'd say that that might not, strictly speaking, be necessary. A removal of the British involvement in the Great War could be enough, excepting a quite different, and far more easy (for Britain), Great War.
 
No,WW1,means some form of civil war between the Ulster volunteers and the Irish volunteers over the introduction of the third home rule bill,1914. They were gearing up for a conflict just prior to the outbreak of war in otl..
 
Ireland is going to be divided.
Things can go three ways:

1: OTL. Agreement to divide it by both sides
2: The rebels are beaten. The UK government carries out its original plan and divides Ireland.
3: The extremes of ASB. The rebels totally defeat loyalist forces. United independant Ireland.
 
IIRC the IRA were running out of ammunition, so the insurrection may well have fizzled out if there was no treaty. You have to bear in mind that Collins knew this though which was one of the reasons he signed so you need to find a way around that fact to create your PoD.

The insurrection had created pretty serious ill-will all round though, and the guerilla tactics of Collins were clearly effective, so I imagine it would flare up again soon enough.
 

Ak-84

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Also there were now a large amount of troops that the British could put in the field (unlike 1919, when their strategic reserve consisted of about 5 battalions). So if they defeat the insurrection, the partition on the 1914 basis is going to occur?
 
Well, if partition is going to happen regardless, how will Ireland be divided? Remember that even though Unionists in OTL prefer to call NI "Ulster", counties Donegal, Cavan, and Monaghan - which were also part of the traditional province of "Ulster" - were not in NI but in the RoI.

In addition to having WW1 butterflied away (which, LordInsane, I think is necessary - no WW1 means that Britain has enough manpower should things get a bit out of hand), I think that the provision for partition should not be included. This, however, means that the concerns of the Unionists should be addressed somehow. For this, how would the possibility of a federal Ireland sound? In this case, a federal Ireland could be done either by geographical regions or on the four traditional provinces (or five, if you want to resurrect the old province of Meath).

Otherwise, I think a 19th-century POD (which is beyond the scope of this board) would work the best.
 
In addition to having WW1 butterflied away (which, LordInsane, I think is necessary - no WW1 means that Britain has enough manpower should things get a bit out of hand)
Well, I'd say Britain wouldn't have that much less manpower, compared to a no-WW1 TL, if *a* Great War occured, but Britain didn't take part.
So our WW1 would be butterflied away, but that wouldn't, necessarily, mean that there wouldn't be a Great War. Indeed, it could even be fairly similar to ours: Franz Ferdinand getting shot, etc. One just have to find a way to keep Britain from joining.
 
So our WW1 would be butterflied away, but that wouldn't, necessarily, mean that there wouldn't be a Great War. Indeed, it could even be fairly similar to ours: Franz Ferdinand getting shot, etc. One just have to find a way to keep Britain from joining.

Hmm, I think I found a way for WW1 to not occur in TTL - the Archduke wisely chooses not to go to Bosnia.
 
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