WI no Nappy III

So say Nappy dies at a young age so he doesn't become king of the French, how do world events play out at the death of Louis Philippe who becomes king?????
 
So say Nappy dies at a young age so he doesn't become king of the French, how do world events play out at the death of Louis Philippe who becomes king?????

The 1848 revolution didn't owe anything much (ie almost nothing) to Louis Napoleon so will happen as will the proclamation of the 2nd Republic

Without Louis Napoleon, Cavaignac might well become President or perhaps the monarchists will find a different unity candidate to run against him to win

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If Napoleon III dies before 1848, the Bonapartist heir is his cousin "Plon Plon" (Napoléon Joseph, son of Jerôme Bonaparte) who had more leftist ideas than his cousin but was less competent in term of politics. Plus, I don't think he had the charisma of Nappy III. Still, he could be the candidate of the Parti de l'Ordre but his chances of being elected President are worse than those of Napoleon III.

Cavaignac stands better chances of being elected President in 1848. Given the fact he is of a Republican "dynasty" (his father fought in the Revolutionnary Wars and was a Republican), the second Republic could survive if the regime gets enough strength. Yet, Cavaignac would have against him the fact he made a bloody repression against the revolt of the eastern parts of Paris. That's one of the reasons he only scored 19% at the Presidential election (against the 74% of Nappy III while all the other candidates didn't even had 1%).

A Monarchist candidate taking power doesn't seem plausible to me. The two likely candidates would be the young Count of Paris, who can't plausibly succeed his grandfather Louis-Philippe since the latter has just been overthrown, and Henri of Chambord, who is 28 but doesn't stand a chance in my opinion (too reactionnary).
 
The monarchist likely rally around Henry, Count of Chambord, with the understanding that the childless King would be succeeded by Prince Philippe, Count of Paris. That'd led to an interesting situation, with Henry being quite the reactionary, while Philippe was an ardent liberal who volunteered for the Union. OTL this exact situation played out after the fall of the second empire, when the monarchist gained control after the elections they offered the crown to Henry; the deal fell through when Henry insisted the national flag be changed from the tricolour and return to the use of the fleur de lys. ITTL with the changes happening earlier, with Philippe still a child, and Henry a younger man who (to his POV) still has the possibility of having an heir..
 

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So say Nappy dies at a young age so he doesn't become king of the French, how do world events play out at the death of Louis Philippe who becomes king?????

Minor nitpick: Napoleon III was an Emperor, not a king.

If he's removed from the historical picture, Paris is going to be a lot less beautiful.
 
maybe will change in good way:second french republic declare war to Prussia in 1866 :)
The war drags on and Russia decide to annex eastern Prussia as fair price for german free hand.
Britain gets annoyied by lose of Hanovra and they side with France.
Austria can hope to regain Silesia :)

No united german empire. No danger for Britain empire as its not launched any Weltpolitik navy plan :)
Kaiser has to surrender to socialist parliament.
Bismark gets his kick off much earlier :)
 
Alexius I Kommenos said:
But wouldn't this butterfly away the disastrous French defeats???:confused:

Butterflying Napoleon III doesn't mean you'll get someone more competent than him as the French President/King/Emperor depending on how 1848 goes. You could as well get someone worse than him and end up with a worse scenario for France.

All will depend who will replace Louis-Philippe as the head of state after the Revolution.
 
Butterflying Napoleon III doesn't mean you'll get someone more competent than him as the French President/King/Emperor depending on how 1848 goes. You could as well get someone worse than him and end up with a worse scenario for France.

All will depend who will replace Louis-Philippe as the head of state after the Revolution.

Lets remember that 1848 is going to happen the same regardless of Louis-Napoléon Bonaparte, who played a pitifully infinitesimal part in French politics until after the June Days.
 
Would Plon-Plon have declared himself Emperor though? He may not make his cousins' 74%, but I'm pretty sure he can beat Cavaignac's 19% (more's the pity). But if only 37% of the electorate support him, say, is he confident enough to launch the coup? I doubt it. I bet he just legalises reelection and tries to stay President in 1852; perhaps he'll be able to restore the Empire later, perhaps not.
 
Would Plon-Plon have declared himself Emperor though? He may not make his cousins' 74%, but I'm pretty sure he can beat Cavaignac's 19% (more's the pity). But if only 37% of the electorate support him, say, is he confident enough to launch the coup? I doubt it. I bet he just legalises reelection and tries to stay President in 1852; perhaps he'll be able to restore the Empire later, perhaps not.

If not Plon-Plon, what about Pierre Napoleon Bonaparte? He also was involved in politics in 1848. But can't really see any of them trying to restore the Empire, both were pretty much republicans by then.
 
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