WI: No Liberalism

What if liberalism as we know it did not even conceptualize into mainstream consciousness?

What I am mainly looking for is the absence of personal freedom and universal rights to not get tied together with the idea of free movement of trade and the industrial revolution. I feel like the end of mercantilism is unavoidable, but I have a few ideas for an alternative to liberalism that could catch on. I am not going to focus on any sort of timeline with this bullet points, just broad ideas to help get my goal across.
  • Butterfly the Glorious Revolution and have a competent generation of nobleman lead England, not by the will of the people, but by the Grace of God.

  • The American Revolution established the United States of America, but with a considerably toned down set of beliefs. The revolution is not undertaken with the justification of popular sovereignty and the belief that a people who do not wish to be govern should not be. Instead it is seen as an issue of national sovereignty, with the American people and continent being distinct from the British and should not be ruled by them. More cynically, it was really just about shaking off mercantilism. Due to this, the right to vote is restricted to wealthy landowners until at least the 1870s.

  • The Industrial Revolution is spurred on, at a slightly slower rate than IOTL, by government owned companies. There isn't really an era where government does not have a hand in industry, with it having formed it from the beginning and maintained it as part of the structure of government like the military would be. There are privately run enterprises that spring up, but they have to work with the government to some extent. This creates a very different sort of market from our own, with the state being the main producer of goods and thus nations compete with products as opposed to companies within nations. This fails to create the free market as we know it and actually results in something a lot more restrictive and less competitive.

Anybody have ideas on what the effects of any/all of this would be? Any other ideas on how to butterfly and/or alter liberalism as it was in the 1800s?
 
What if liberalism as we know it did not even conceptualize into mainstream consciousness?

What I am mainly looking for is the absence of personal freedom and universal rights to not get tied together with the idea of free movement of trade and the industrial revolution. I feel like the end of mercantilism is unavoidable, but I have a few ideas for an alternative to liberalism that could catch on. I am not going to focus on any sort of timeline with this bullet points, just broad ideas to help get my goal across.
  • Butterfly the Glorious Revolution and have a competent generation of nobleman lead England, not by the will of the people, but by the Grace of God.

  • The American Revolution established the United States of America, but with a considerably toned down set of beliefs. The revolution is not undertaken with the justification of popular sovereignty and the belief that a people who do not wish to be govern should not be. Instead it is seen as an issue of national sovereignty, with the American people and continent being distinct from the British and should not be ruled by them. More cynically, it was really just about shaking off mercantilism. Due to this, the right to vote is restricted to wealthy landowners until at least the 1870s.

  • The Industrial Revolution is spurred on, at a slightly slower rate than IOTL, by government owned companies. There isn't really an era where government does not have a hand in industry, with it having formed it from the beginning and maintained it as part of the structure of government like the military would be. There are privately run enterprises that spring up, but they have to work with the government to some extent. This creates a very different sort of market from our own, with the state being the main producer of goods and thus nations compete with products as opposed to companies within nations. This fails to create the free market as we know it and actually results in something a lot more restrictive and less competitive.

Anybody have ideas on what the effects of any/all of this would be? Any other ideas on how to butterfly and/or alter liberalism as it was in the 1800s?
I think you need to explain what caused these, as that, if significant enough, would fully explicate the miscarriage of liberty.
 
What if liberalism as we know it did not even conceptualize into mainstream consciousness?

What I am mainly looking for is the absence of personal freedom and universal rights to not get tied together with the idea of free movement of trade and the industrial revolution. I feel like the end of mercantilism is unavoidable, but I have a few ideas for an alternative to liberalism that could catch on. I am not going to focus on any sort of timeline with this bullet points, just broad ideas to help get my goal across.
  • Butterfly the Glorious Revolution and have a competent generation of nobleman lead England, not by the will of the people, but by the Grace of God.

  • The American Revolution established the United States of America, but with a considerably toned down set of beliefs. The revolution is not undertaken with the justification of popular sovereignty and the belief that a people who do not wish to be govern should not be. Instead it is seen as an issue of national sovereignty, with the American people and continent being distinct from the British and should not be ruled by them. More cynically, it was really just about shaking off mercantilism. Due to this, the right to vote is restricted to wealthy landowners until at least the 1870s.

  • The Industrial Revolution is spurred on, at a slightly slower rate than IOTL, by government owned companies. There isn't really an era where government does not have a hand in industry, with it having formed it from the beginning and maintained it as part of the structure of government like the military would be. There are privately run enterprises that spring up, but they have to work with the government to some extent. This creates a very different sort of market from our own, with the state being the main producer of goods and thus nations compete with products as opposed to companies within nations. This fails to create the free market as we know it and actually results in something a lot more restrictive and less competitive.

Anybody have ideas on what the effects of any/all of this would be? Any other ideas on how to butterfly and/or alter liberalism as it was in the 1800s?

I think the events you allude to would more plausibly be considered results of liberalism rather than causes, and hence to butterfly liberalism you'd need an earlier POD. Maybe if in the aftermath of the Reformation and Wars of Religion European countries don't like in OTL establish freedom of religion but instead set up something like the Ottoman millet system, that would lead to a more corporatist outlook in Europe and butterfly away the spread of liberalism.
 
I think you need to explain what caused these, as that, if significant enough, would fully explicate the miscarriage of liberty.

Do you have any ideas?

I think the events you allude to would more plausibly be considered results of liberalism rather than causes, and hence to butterfly liberalism you'd need an earlier POD. Maybe if in the aftermath of the Reformation and Wars of Religion European countries don't like in OTL establish freedom of religion but instead set up something like the Ottoman millet system, that would lead to a more corporatist outlook in Europe and butterfly away the spread of liberalism.

That's a good point.

I think a sort of non-democratic ideal of free trade would probably rise instead.

What effect does this Ottoman style have on the future?
 
I think the idea that freedoms are gifts/awards of the state may help restrict the social ideals of liberalism.
Since they come out of the English bill of rights then a w3k pod is likely needed.
 
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