WI No Japanese Internment?

A few questions:

(1) Is there any way to avoid the federal government going along with internment, which was originally started by Pacific coast states?

(2) If so, what are the ramifications of such a move?

(3) Alternatively, what if Korematsu v. U.S. goes the other way in 1944? Or by that token, the Feds don't do the interning, but the states do, and it goes the other way in '44?
 
A few questions:

(1) Is there any way to avoid the federal government going along with internment, which was originally started by Pacific coast states?

(2) If so, what are the ramifications of such a move?

(3) Alternatively, what if Korematsu v. U.S. goes the other way in 1944? Or by that token, the Feds don't do the interning, but the states do, and it goes the other way in '44?

Very easy to avoid. I think FDR had great reservations about the whole thing and if the populace of the states weren't so supportive of the war, I'd doubt it would fly very well with them. The ramifications, if internment is avoided altogether, is probably a slight bump against the Civil Rights movement. Terrible as the internment may have been (my grandmother being one of those kept), it wasn't exactly wildly popular with Americans. The lack of the internment may stifle a bit of the liberal backlash against the racial injustice, so it definitely has some effect on the movement.

If internment is left to the states, I could see this backlash from the post-internment years actually strengthening the federal government's stance on racial integration. The freedom left to the states to determine internment standards and terms would actually backfire later down the road as the federal government might not be looked upon as just as guilty by concerned minorities in the Movement. Essentially, they'd be pushed into the same camp, against the states (which realistically, would only be the South at this point).
 
American schoolchildren might actually learn something important about WWII in history class.
 
American schoolchildren might actually learn something important about WWII in history class.

Are you implying that the forced round-up of American citizens based on their race and their subsequent internment for four years is not 'important'?
 
Perspective....

Maraurder and TNF...

Are you seriously going to tell me that the detention of Japanese Americans (however offensive, and I am certainly not going to defend this contemptible act described very well by Grimm Reaper at 11:04) is worth the overwhelming attention that it gets in most school cirriculums these days?

WWII is essentially = Holocaust/Detention/Rosie the Riveter/Hiroshima in most (not all) classrooms, and the idea that there was actually some combat going on is profoundly alien to the students incarcerated therein. In terms of perspective, YES....Japanese American detention is grossly overemphasized...
 
Maraurder and TNF...

Are you seriously going to tell me that the detention of Japanese Americans (however offensive, and I am certainly not going to defend this contemptible act described very well by Grimm Reaper at 11:04) is worth the overwhelming attention that it gets in most school cirriculums these days?

WWII is essentially = Holocaust/Detention/Rosie the Riveter/Hiroshima in most (not all) classrooms, and the idea that there was actually some combat going on is profoundly alien to the students incarcerated therein. In terms of perspective, YES....Japanese American detention is grossly overemphasized...

I agree with you, although to be fair I think the Holocaust needs to be emphasized more, it was a pretty world-changing event and you'd be surprised at how many kids know sh*t all about it.

That being said, there was probably a better way to say what you meant.
 
Most high schoolers learn nothing about the Rape of Nanking, the Bataan Death March, or the Japanese biowar experiments in China. Those need to be presented if you want to air the dirty laundry of the US in the Pacific theatre of the conflict as well.
 
Can someone please explain to me how it was that Japanese American citizens had their property seized and were deported to camps,and yet were drafted into military service?

It seems to me that if they're not good enough to be allowed to live normal civilian lives, they surely shouldn't be trusted to be in the military.

So, no internment? You might have even more badass Japanese-American troops than in OTL, though there probably would be a few more bad eggs. Positive trade off if you ask me.
 
Maraurder and TNF...

Are you seriously going to tell me that the detention of Japanese Americans (however offensive, and I am certainly not going to defend this contemptible act described very well by Grimm Reaper at 11:04) is worth the overwhelming attention that it gets in most school cirriculums these days?

WWII is essentially = Holocaust/Detention/Rosie the Riveter/Hiroshima in most (not all) classrooms, and the idea that there was actually some combat going on is profoundly alien to the students incarcerated therein. In terms of perspective, YES....Japanese American detention is grossly overemphasized...

It wasn't even mentioned in my history classes some years ago, merely in passing. It must be a location/district thing, but I find its overemphasis to be absent. In regards to American history, yes, its very important. As important to American history of the World War II era as Normandy would be. Hell, I think D-Day is overemphasized. As far as most kids are concerned, the Soviets are magically in Berlin at the beginning of the Cold War as if Germany let them through while Americans won WWII for us all. But yes, you hit the nail on the head as far as modern curriculum goes, especially Hiroshima.

Most high schoolers learn nothing about the Rape of Nanking, the Bataan Death March, or the Japanese biowar experiments in China. Those need to be presented if you want to air the dirty laundry of the US in the Pacific theatre of the conflict as well.

Japan has been extremely lucky in that regard. It's almost astounding how long they've gone on without having to disavow much of their military history like Germany has.
 

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Can someone please explain to me how it was that Japanese American citizens had their property seized and were deported to camps,and yet were drafted into military service?
They weren't drafted, since all of them were volunteers who had to pass a loyalty test before being allowed to service in Europe and Africa. Ironically, the 100th Infantry Battalion was commanded by a Korean American, Young-Oak Kim, who was the first officer from an ethnic minority in U.S. history to command an Army combat battalion.

Japan has been extremely lucky in that regard. It's almost astounding how long they've gone on without having to disavow much of their military history like Germany has.
Well..... I'm not sure if all that denial is healthy, since most Japanese either don't know, don't give a S**T, or know the wrong history, making them pretty open to the far-right ultranationalists (those B*****DS that needs to have their heads cracked).
 
A more more prosperous Japanese-American community postwar. And nobody ever hears the words "Governor Pat Brown.":mad:

Seconded. Many (white) people used the internment as a chance to buy up Japanese-Americans' property cheaply or simply wait until they were interned and then steal it.
 
Can someone please explain to me how it was that Japanese American citizens had their property seized and were deported to camps,and yet were drafted into military service?

It seems to me that if they're not good enough to be allowed to live normal civilian lives, they surely shouldn't be trusted to be in the military.

So, no internment? You might have even more badass Japanese-American troops than in OTL, though there probably would be a few more bad eggs. Positive trade off if you ask me.

Japanese Americans were later on given the chance to serve if they said they were loyal to the USA. And no internment took place in Hawaii, where most Japanese Americans lived because there were too many of them. That kind of shows how the internment was the manifestation of local, rather than federal racism. Bottom-up, not top down.
Also, given that OTL Japanese Americans who fought loved their country even when they just got out of internment, there were no bad eggs AFAIK and learned. Though there probably would be one or two if the whole community was drafted.
 
Are you implying that Japanese internment is overshadowing everything else in history classes?

Are you implying that the forced round-up of American citizens based on their race and their subsequent internment for four years is not 'important'?

It's a common joke that no one in elementary and middle school learns anything about the actual Second World War because they're always focusing on Japanese internment. I was being facetious.
 
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