WI:No Islam after the first crusade

The first crusade is so sucessful that the christians take almost all of the Islamic lands.After many years ,the islam disappears.
 
That's..pretty impossible. You would either need a POD far back enough to stop Muhammad directly, or a massive series of wars that would take centuries. Plus, the Orthodox Church would fare no better then OTL IMO, since only the Catholic nations were powerful enough to actually crusade.

Let's say ASB's get involved and have your POD happen. All you'd get are a collection of fairly weak, fairly bled out Catholic countries pressing against depopulated Persia, which is pocketed by little Hindu, Buddhist, and Zoroastrian fiefs.

But, frankly, it's impossible.
 
The First Crusade was only on the Levant and Anatolia, even if they conquer all of those areas you still have many more Islamic lands, from Iberia to Persia and God knows how many more areas with Islamic presence.

This is pretty much ASB to the extreme.
 
While not exactly involving anything physically impossible, it is less probable than some of my threads moved to ASB forums (despite the fact that in most of them everything was 100% physically possible and all it needed was a few historical people to become different personalities)
 

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First Crusade ends up being delayed for more than a century. It starts on Genghis Khan's death and it lasts for a few decades of stalemate. Meanwhile Mongols conquer the Middle East; the First Crusade only conquers a small strip of coast. Mongols do the conversion.
 
The first crusade is so sucessful that the christians take almost all of the Islamic lands.After many years ,the islam disappears.

This is impossible, even if we took all arabia and the middle east it still would be impossible to convert all muslims, it is ASB
 
This is impossible, even if we took all arabia and the middle east it still would be impossible to convert all muslims, it is ASB

Taking all of the middle east and Arabia would STILL make it impossible to convert all the muslims but

It's not ASB. It's impossible but NOT ASB if you looked up the forum instructions.

And yet... as I complained, implausible threads that are not ASB territory get moved there, even if they are more plausible than this one
 
First Crusade was barely able to take Jerusalem in first place, and it didn't take more than one century to have Latin states forming but coastal entities.
There is simply not enough men avaible, not enough ressources for this to happen : the lack of military reinforcement plagued Latins pretty much from the start.

The very best I could see happening without ASB (while quite unlikely) would be a Crusader conquest of Upper Egypt, and a Byzantine takeover of Anatolia as a by-product.
 
First Crusade was barely able to take Jerusalem in first place, and it didn't take more than one century to have Latin states forming but coastal entities.
There is simply not enough men avaible, not enough ressources for this to happen : the lack of military reinforcement plagued Latins pretty much from the start.

Right

The very best I could see happening without ASB (while quite unlikely) would be a Crusader conquest of Upper Egypt, and a Byzantine takeover of Anatolia as a by-product.

Wrong. They aren't getting rid of Islam (and it's not even the goal of the first crusade) even if they took over Egypt and Arabia because of going overboard but it's not ASB because

It depends on whether or not supernatural or otherwise impossible events happen in the POD or the TL. For example Tony Blair becoming President because God appointed him is ASB. Tony Blair becoming President because the US changes it's electoral laws to allow foreigners to run for office (or Tony Blair for some reason being born in America) is implausible, but not ASB.

So there, stop moving implausible stuff to ASB. It's Type IV (utterly implausible AH)
 
Wrong. They aren't getting rid of Islam (and it's not even the goal of the first crusade) even if they took over Egypt and Arabia because of going overboard because
I litterally said that "the very best" I could see happening, not that it would fill the OP. I still don't understand how it could be understood otherwise.

So there, stop moving implausible stuff to ASB. It's Type IV (utterly implausible AH)
First, I'm not moving anything, so don't give me that.
Second, getting rid of Islam as the OP ask is not implausible. That's impossible to happen safe surnatural or totally irrational event.
Then : Type IV, Type Alpha, Type whatever ASB is not something even close of a set of rules, but a guideline, a classification that people makes out. It's barely relevant to discussions.

Eventually, the whole "don't say ASB, if there is not litterally alien space bats" is as annoying than labelling everything as ASB. It's not a cuss word : it's just something (without clear borders) that is made to distinguish realistic (or realistic-enough) AH, from the rest and not to say "second-rate AH".
 
Ah two things. One is I had a bit of a tpyo in the first part you quoted, so... I think it makes more sense now.
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First, I'm not moving anything, so don't give me that.
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Secondly, sorry I didn't mean to sound harsh and you're right you're not moving anything. I just see a lot of "move this to ASB" so I... guess I got a bit too jumpy. Sorry
 
Like there is said, it is totally impossible. Crusaders can't conquer all Middle East and convert all of Arabs and Persians. And Islam was already spreading to East Africa, India and Indonesia. Perhapst they can keep OTL Lebanon and Israel but not more. And even this is very implausible. Only way is that crusade is before 640's when Islam is not so widely spreaded.
 
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