Let's say Napoleon was unable to escape from Elbe and begin his hundred days return to power. What would an 1814 defeat for nappy look like? Would Tallyrand be able to negotiate a much stronger france into the 1820's and 1830's?
So the british, even though they were the ones fighting france the whole freaking time would get the short end of the Stick if there was no hundred days and waterloo?
Also, without the Congress of Vienna, the UK would not return the occupied Dutch colonies, for one thing (I mean, they already didnt give back Malaya and the Cape, but now its nothing).
Would the French receive back their colonies too?
What has that to do with anything?
Also, without the Congress of Vienna, the UK would not return the occupied Dutch colonies, for one thing (I mean, they already didnt give back Malaya and the Cape, but now its nothing).
What does "count for" mean? We go by possibilities here, not who deserves whatWell, yeah I would hope that the Peninsular War would count for something, even if overshadowed by Nappy's 1812 Russia campaign.
No. France already was defeated, the problem was just where the spoils go. Look at the map I posted, it shows who administrated what during the Congress - provisionally, but if the Congress fails, that might become the permanent borders. The Southern Netherlands were apparently Prussian administrated at that time.Also, would france still have the Southern Netherlands? Would France be less economically devastated?
A Russian Saxony!?
That would be interesting...
Eh, thats really just provisional, most like. Russia administered the Kingdom of Saxony, because Saxony had stood at Napyps side to the end, and its King had been captured, and Russian troops were occupying that land (as said, tehy were coming in huge numbers from the eats and if necessray wouldve dealth with Napoleon alone). IOTL, most of Saxonys land became Prussian, and the rest independnat again, though Russia had no problems with everything beocming Prussian, either, so that could just happen, and in return Prussia gives up every claim to the Polish lands it has lost.
Of course, I imagined they would exchange it for something else anyway. But, even if it's almost ASB, it would be funny if the Tsar had decided that would be important to him be also the monarch of a German State.
No. France already was defeated, the problem was just where the spoils go. Look at the map I posted, it shows who administrated what during the Congress - provisionally, but if the Congress fails, that might become the permanent borders. The Southern Netherlands were apparently Prussian administrated at that time.
I was thinking without Napoleon running around, that Talleyrand would have a much easier time getting france on a good footing again. He did really well with the 1814 treaty of paris and i dont see any reason why he couldnt continue that sucess. He was apart of the congress of Vienna, wasn't he?